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Kaum ist die 6. Edition draußen, bastelt GW anscheinend an einer 7. Edition.

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26.12.2013
via 40k Radio
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The big 40k rumor is: This summer GW will release 7th edition 40k and 9th edition Fantasy has been shelved, for now.

All right before all of you blow us up step back and take a deep breath. This is from the source that have us pictures of the Space Marines and the Codex a month early. Also gave us pics of the Dark Elves which we described accurately a month early. Also gave us the info on the Sentinels of Terra. He also let us know that Nids were in January NOT December like so many other rumors sites predicted. So yeah he has been very accurate with the info he has given us. They way it was explained to us is that 7th Edition will be made to include the new Escalation and Stronghold rules. I would also not be surprised to see the Dataslates added to the main rule book.

Yes this is a rumor at this stage so take it with a grain of salt. But then again everything out source has said has come true. Only time will tell. Have a Merry Christmas with your families and don't let this put a knot in your undies.
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Ein kleines Update:


via an anonymous source on Faeit 212 (solid source)
The next edition of 40k will be called 7th, not 6.5 when it drops, but as far as rules go it will be less of a jump than 5th to 6th.

The key areas being updated:
Interceptor, sky fire, fortifications, lords of war, allies and data slates.

As for its release it'll probably be September not "the summer."

It's not finished yet, still being tested so anything can happen.

The thought behind this edition is to make the game less alpha strike explosive and more "competitive" at all points values (even when including Lords of War), but D weapons outside of apocalypse may see alternate rules.

ps
Pistols in close combat in 7th
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http://natfka.blogspot.de/2013/12/7t...12+(Faeit+212)

28.12.2013
via an anonymous source on Faeit 212
So, here's the breakdown for areas of interest as they stand.

Interceptor is being unhooked from skyfire

Skyfire lets targets shoot at Flyers at full BS, but ground targets only as snapfire.

Interceptor lets you shoot enemy reserves at the end of the enemy's movement phase.

They will no longer interact and let a target hit both ground and flying units with full BS.

A new universal rule will be introduced to be combo'd with skyfire to represent co-axle weapons.

Interceptor being slightly re-arranged. Units will need to Nominate that they will be intercepting during their own shooting phase, in order to be eligible to use the rule in the subsequent enemy turn. If they then use interceptor, they will still be unable to shoot in their following shooting phase, but can nominate to intercept again.

Right now interceptor is seen by the team as being too strong, and a no-drawback decision. i.e. you shoot with it, if your opponent brings in reserves you get free shooting. If they don't bring on reserves you act normally next turn.

This flip will make it so that a tactical employment of interceptor (with a bit of gambling) will need to be employed. Smart generals may manipulate reserve rolls to delay reserves while an opponent is set to intercept, getting away with not being shot and then not presenting targets or they may bring their units on wholesale after forcing an opponent to shoot at their already-present units for whatever reason, thus denying them the option to intercept.

This was an original thought for 6th, but was cut because it was seen as "too much to keep track of," but now with tokens and markers being so prevalent it should see its way back in.

Character models with pistols will be able to make one attack using their pistol in Close Combat instead of the usual +1 attack if they want (they may always just use it as +1).

This may be opened up to all models or just models that are actively taking advantage of gunslinger (making all their attacks use pistols), but right now it's seen as something that "slows the game down."

The new rules for fortifications will be in the big book (in so far as how building damage, occupation etc)

The new rules for lords of war will be in the big book (but may see changes to D weapons).

More rules are there for if only one player takes a LoW, representing either the player with it having to use such a devastating weapon because of a critically important mission, or that the LoW is the objective itself for the team without it (i.e. destroying a titan is the basis for some campaigns in the fluff, let alone missions).

Dataslates will be in the new book, but are going to be modified. They will still be self contained, but will most likely occupy the ally slot, or if nothing else, lock your ally to being that book.

i.e. if you take a tau dataslate, you can only take tau as allies.

The big words on the board are still "Let people take what they want and play with what they want" but it's being counter balanced with making it fair, competitive and within reasonable limits of the fluff.

I know that the original intention of letting people pick up 1 HQ and a unit for a new army and adding it to an existing force for a fresh alternative / marketing incentive to start a new army has been received as a relative "failure" by the developers and the consensus is that allies feel mandatory in order to play competitively, even outside of the WAAC combos that exist. So this is the biggest area of contention
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http://natfka.blogspot.de/2013/12/7th-edition-as-it-stands.html#more

29.12.2013
via an anonymous source from the Faeit 212 inbox
There will be no 7th edition or 6,5 edition of Warhammer 40k during the summer of 2014. The Games Workshop team isn't interested in compiling the existing rulestets yet, since the edition is not over yet. In fact, our distributor (the main distributor) received news that the WHFB 9ed is indeed coming this year - he didn't mention when exactly. So 40k fans don't keep your hopes up.

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According to an article on BoLS you need to "read between the lines" of my last post. For them I will make it really simple:

It is a RUMOR if we haven't seen the book/models yet.
It is a FACT if we have seen it.

That is why were are saying 7th Edtion is a RUMOR at this point.

we were asked to hold off on giving out this info for a couple months and then we were given permission to give it out. As far as WHFB goes, it is not getting shelved but from what we heard 9th Edition was not up to par and was pushed back. If you read on the GD Digital site they pretty much said the new digital WHFB rules will not be out dated this year. I love WHFB and so does the Chiller. There are things that need to be fixed but it isn't a bad ruleset by any measure. If GW is curious as to why it isn't as popular then take a look at the cost associated and how daunting it can be to build and paint a WHFB army. In Fantasy quite often bigger is better and your core troops usually require 3 boxes or more per unit. 40k also has a significantly more exciting story line.

I really hope that IF the rumor is true it is cleaning up some rules while adding in the stuff like Escalation and Stronghold Assault. Both have their place in the game. I know guys like Alec Peters have quite and impressive collection of super heavies and it is only right that they should be able to use them more frequently. Kyle has all of the new fortification set built and painted and we are super pumped up to use them in games. While we wont use Escalation or Stronghold assault in every game it is nice to have those available for the right situation.
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http://natfka.blogspot.de/2013/12/7th-edition-40k-and-warhammer-fantsy.html

02.01.2014
via a must remain anonymous source on Faeit 212
I'd like to add that if 7th edition does land, we won't be seeing a 7th edition codex overhaul and money grab. We'd continue to see Supplements and Mini-dexes, Dataslates and other additional rules. Certain codexes as they begin to express the signs of age would receive free errata and digital updates for those who bought e-versions. Only after a long enough period had passed (the likes of which would be reminiscent of previous edition updates) would codexes begin to be changed and would be done so based on priority of need, not just original order of publication.

The "if" caught my attention. It sounds like no format for release has been decided upon. Whether or not it will be an update to the rulebook, or a new full release.

As for why I said "if"

The goal is to make a book so good that it's worth buying. The goal is not to make people who bought stronghold assault and escalation frustrated by unifying the rules into one big rulebook that is effectively mandatory and thus making their previous purchases a waste of money. Granted, this happens with codexes and big rulebooks regularly, but normally not so soon. Think 4-5 years in between editions.

There is current talk about vouchers for those who purchased the digital versions of SA and E to make the next book cheaper, but it's not something that can in the same way be done for physical hardbacks as really the cost of production is present and giving a discount on the book due to previous purchases isn't entirely viable without making the book a loss to print or not profitable to the point where it's not worth printing (despite it being good for the hobby, it is a business after all).

This is promoting a strong push towards digital formats where these revisions and updates can be made and only printing limited edition hardbacks which are collectors items more so than required rulebooks.

This different intent between the books means that people shouldn't be frustrated when their LE book gets updated and not reprinted, as the LEs will focus on the art/backstory/fluffy bits and are intended for a collector, more so than a gamer making the rules just a footnote and not the focus.

The gaming editions, which will be digital still have the same content but obviously cost much less to produce/distribute (though you'd be surprised at the cut that Apple takes on an iBook) and can therefore be later updated and erratta'd right in the book and updated.
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Dann lass ich hier auch mal meine meinung
The thought behind this edition is to make the game less alpha strike explosive and more "competitive" at all points values (even when including Lords of War), but D weapons outside of apocalypse may see alternate rules.
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Das halte ich halt für sehr naja, seit wann hat GW sich jemals um "Competitive" geschehrt? Wäre das erste mal das GW sowas überhaupt macht für mich eine Neujahrsente!
 
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As for its release it'll probably be September not "the summer."

It's not finished yet, still being tested so anything can happen.
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WTF! 9 Monate vor Veröffentlichung noch in der Testphase?... das kann nur Kosmetik sein!!
Und wie schauts mit dem Regelwerk der Grundbox aus?
Bleibt die so wie bisher, gibts eine Neue, wird nur das Buch ausgetauscht?
Da hat jemand nicht lang genug in die Kristallkugel geschaut...
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#8
Unglaubwürdig finde ich das alles nicht. Ist schnell produziert. Einfach nur die Regeln aus der 6. nehmen, FAQs integriert, hier und da ein paar Alibi-Änderungen, die Neuerscheinungen (Dataslates, etc.) so integriert, dass keiner mehr auf die Idee kommt, der Dreck wäre optional, sondern ist halt "offiziell" und einfach den Fluffteil der letzten Edition recyclet. Fertig ist das 70€ Buch, das dann auch schön brav gekauft wird... Und wem das noch nicht zu teuer ist, wird sicher auch wieder eine Limited Edition für 150€ geben, wo einfach nur ein Schuber drum rum gehüllt ist.

Außerdem würde es in dem Sinne Sinn machen, dass man das ganze Zeugs dann auch den Leuten "anbieten" könnte, welche kein Englisch beherrschen oder kein Digitales Zeugs kaufen. Wird einfach alles in das Grundregelbuch "konsolidiert". Genügend Platz ist bei dem Backstein ja, man muss einfach nur die ganzen redundanten Hobbyteil weglassen, der sowieso keinen interessiert.
 
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Auf der anderen Seite könnte es auch so laufen, dass man das 'neue' Regelbuch nicht braucht, wenn man das aktuelle Buch, Escalation, Stronghold, den Errata/FAQ Ordner und seinen Tablet mit den ganzen Digitalen Spielereien dabei hat. Weiterhin werden (falls das so passiert) nur die Escalation Regeln integriert, die Datenblätter der Fahrzeuge nicht, schon hat das einzelne Buch weiterhin einen Sinn.
 
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zonz1984 schrieb:
Also wenn dann kann das nur was kleineres sein was sich nicht all zu sehr auf die Grundmechanik der 6th auswirkt (eben Erweiterungen einbauen, Schönheitsfehler korrigieren, entschärfen etc.). Es sind ja noch nicht mal alle Codizes durch für die 6th. Würde daher bei einem 6.5 bleiben, das wäre am ehesten vorstellbar.
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Wann hat GW das abgehalten ne neue Edition zu machen? Denen ist Balancing doch .....egal.
 
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Eine neue Edi nach nur 2 Jahren? Klingt komisch, prinzipiell würde ich es GW aber zutrauen. Schliesslich sind sie mittlerweile durchaus soetwas wie unberechenbar geworden. Positiv wie negativ.
Die Releasegeschw. hat ja seit der 6. enorm angezogen, da wars nur ne Frage der Zeit, bis sie mit den Codices durch sind. Allerdings halte ich dazu den Herbst zu früh. Was fehlt denn noch? Tyraniden, Necs, BA, SW, Imps, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights und Orks. Nach dem aktuellen Zweimonatsrhythmus wären das 17 Monate, bis die Softcover abgearbeitet sind. Beginnend mit Tyraniden im Januar gibts also noch Material bis Ende Mai 2015. Dass GW in dieses schnelle "Abfertigung" noch ne neue Edi quetschen kommt mir schon mehr als ein wenig spanisch vor, zumal dabei noch keine Supplements u/o Ergänzungsbände a la Stronghold mit einbezogen sind.

Was ich mir hingegen vorstellen könnte wäre ein groß aufgemachtes überarbeitetes Regelwerk, dass endlich das aktuelle Errata berücksichtigt! Beim kürzlich aufgelegten kleinen HC-40k-Regelwerk haben sie diese Chance ja verpasst (warum auch immer). Ebenso soll im Februar Escalation auf dt. erscheinen. Dass dieses Buch dann anschliessend im Grundregelwerk mit eingearbeitet werden soll, passt auch nicht so recht.

Dann wäre da noch, dass GW dann beide Hauptsysteme im selben Jahr auflegt. Die ziehen sich mMn nur unnötig Kundschaft ab. Schliesslich spielen nicht wenige Nerds beide Systeme. Dann gleich zweimal in ein neues Regelwerk investieren und einarbeiten? Ich würde nicht drauf wetten.

Aber lassen wir uns überraschen und horchen aufmerksam in die Gerüchteküche.
 
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Preda schrieb:
Es wäre zu begrüßen wenn GW das wirklich macht und auch Nahkämpfer wieder mal was zu Lachen haben und nicht schon auf ihrer Seite vom Tisch geballert werden.
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Nachdem man als Fernkämpfer in der 5. etwa genausoviel zu lachen hatte argumentiere ich hier dagegen. Der "Lerneffekt" für Spezialisten ala: Schocken, abwehren, Nahkampf, Sieg wird erst in ca. 3 weiteren Jahren ins Bewusstsein assimiliert sein und der Wechsel zur nächsten Nahkampfedition wird erst vollzogen wenn ALLE Spieler zu Fernkämpfern umerzogen worden sind. Erst dann macht das doch Sinn die Regeln wieder komplett über den Haufen zu werfen und die Kuh erneut zu melekn.

Das Gerücht ist in diversen englischen Foren schon als totaler Hoax Blödsinn tituliert worden. Von daher, abhaken.
 
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