Sonstiges Diskussion - Specialist Games

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#203
At GW’s Warhammer Fest this weekend, Andy Hoare and James Hewitt were in attendance. Andy is Head of the Specialist Games Division, and James is heading up the development of Blood Bowl. Many people have posted the results of their conversations on social media. Hopefully this is the best summary of various sources, and will be updated as more information is released. We won’t reproduce pictures, but have linked to them at the bottom.


  • BB will be released at the latest Q1 2017, though more likely to be 2016.
  • The box set will contain orc and human teams (12 player, starter teams) and the core rules, 2 double sided dugouts and one double sided pitch giving both orc and human themes, 2 sets of dice one blue and one green (3x Block, 2x D6, 1x D8 and 1x D16, the designs are which are still being finalised), 4 Star player cards (Griff, Zug, Varag & Morg), team tokens to use for turn, reroll, score etc, throw, scatter and throw in templates and the first part of an eventually complete set of Special Play cards.
  • The core rules will be the CRP. There will be no changes. This has been confirmed a great many times.
  • League rules will be part of a Death Zone supplement, released on the same day as the box set. The DZ supplement will contain full rosters for 7 teams. This will include 4 more plastic teams: Nurgle, Dwarf, Skaven, and Elf Union (Pro Elf). The others remain a secret for now. It will also contain rules and complete backgrounds for 20 Star Players, a couple of whom are new additions.
  • League rules are the same as the CRP, so once again the game remains the game we know and love. However, additional content has been added. Some of this was written by Jervis a few years ago, some is new. The intention is to add more narrative and more fun to leagues, adding new ways to play. This will very much be the theme going forward; to add to league play with variations and options whilst sticking with the core game we know and love.
  • There are more supplements planned and more content to come. Supplements will bring in more rosters we recognise from the CRP complete with new models, along with new and old star players, all in resin, until all 21 teams are available, and more.
  • Special Play cards will be released in due course, along with Star Player cards, again to give a complete deck.
  • The rate at which new supplements is released depends upon sales and being able to fit them into the release schedule alongside AoS and 40k releases.
  • There is no reason to expect new teams to follow Cyanide’s past releases. The team have their own plans influenced by their love of the game and the setting.
  • Plastic teams will be added to with resin releases to fill out positionals, Big Guys, etc..
  • Star Players will be released in Resin.
  • Some plastic teams will receive resin conversion kits which will enable players to build famous teams should they wish. These teams may be supported by additional rules in later league supplements.
  • The pitch will have 32 mm squares, rather than the current 29mm, but the square count will be the same. The total length will be about 8cm longer than currently. The box will contain a larger range ruler to match the larger squares, made in hard plastic rather than the classic flexible one. The board in the box will be hard cardboard, double sided with 2 different pitches, and folding into 6.
  • The miniatures are slightly larger than in previous editions, but we must remember that the previous edition was released in 1994. To give an idea of scale, the humans are about 30mm to the eye level, the same scale as current 40k Guardsmen. Orcs are the same size as current orcs for other ranges, and Black orcs are big, bad ST4 models.
  • Bases for the new figures are 32mm, which is a style choice. There is nothing preventing the use of 25mm bases or any size you choose. Size of miniatures is also a style choice.
  • The miniatures’ bases will have holes in that the ball can be attached to. There are a lot of balls in the starter set, and balls have their own optional rules based on who they belong to (biting orc squig ball?).
  • The setting remains the same. What does that mean? Well, Blood Bowl has always been set in an alternative Warhammer World where football has replaced war. It’s a grim, darkly humorous pastiche of the Warhammer setting and that isn’t changing. More importantly it is being expanded upon by a team of people who have known and loved the Warhammer World for many years. As an example Eldril Sidewinder has had his original background restored, he is a Sea Elf Wardancer turned to football, and his Hypnotic Gaze is a racial ability to mesmerize others that Wood and Sea Elf Wardancers possessed in WFB 3rd edition.
  • There will be new pitches, possibly even in neoprene (mouse mat material). The plan is to release racial pitches to tie in with all the teams. Also, there is a hidden Easter Egg present on all pitches which in due course might give a hint to potential new DungeonBowl league rules still in the planning stages.
  • The Specialist Brands Studio plans to support the community through supporting gaming and events, be they in stores or elsewhere. Plans are being laid to offer sideline staff as exclusive miniatures at events or for a set period of time, something Forge World already does with its Event Exclusive miniatures.
  • No information yet on price points, although the starter set has been kept deliberately light to ensure the price point is much lower than some other recent releases.


  • Core rules deal with just the teams in the starter set; Humans and Orcs.
  • Deathzone (a book, not a box) is released on the same day. It contains league rules and rosters for 7 teams plus 20 Stars.
  • 4 of these are plastic teams (making 6 plastic teams in total): Skaven, Dwarf, Elf, and Nurgle (released separately as single team boxes).
  • The rest will be resin. They're keeping the unnamed ones as a surprise for now along with the names of the Stars. Surprises are nice.
  • These are all CRP teams. They aren't changing the rosters.
  • Plastic teams will get resin additions, so a resin troll and stuff. Resin teams, I haven't actually asked if they'll be full team boxes or a starting team with boosters.


  • Future supplements will contain more CRP rosters and stars. Basically GW doesn't like printing rules if they don't first have the models.
  • The Specialist Brands studio fully expects us grognards to carry on using the Icepelt edition for rosters, and whatever others we fancy. They aren't going to come round your house and take your Norse away.
  • But for newcomers, well, they get to be excited by new rosters like we once were. And that's good because for every one of us reading this there is likely to be 10,000 new players who've never seen the full list of rosters.
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Ok, not exactly much to show here except the poster below.
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However talking to Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew I can mention the following:​

  • [*=left]The game is set during the Horus Heresy in the spirit of the original Adeptus Titanicus.
    [*=left]It will begin with just Titans.
    [*=left]The scale will be 8mm – They decided on this scale after 3D printing a Marine, Dread, Leman Russ, Warlord and a Mastodon in three different scales. 8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart but didn’t make the Titans too big.
    [*=left]8mm will make a Warlord around 6″ tall (that’s what it looked like why Andy Hoare put his hands apart, don’t blame me if the final model is smaller or larger…).
    [*=left]The models will be produced in resin by Forge World.
    [*=left]Typical force may be in the region of two Warlords, two Reavers and two-three Warhounds.
    [*=left]More Titan variants are possible.
    [*=left]Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced.
    [*=left]Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks.
    [*=left]Currently the Titans are being 3D modelled by Chris Drew, the Warlord has been done as the 40k version was originally 3D modelled so it was a case of just scaling things down and getting it to work as a model which can be manufactured.
We may, may, get to see something at the Forge World Open Day…(may, depending on Tony Cottrell)
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#206
Hmmm... Soll quasi heißen, dass die Sonderminis und die Titanen von ForgeWorld für Specialist Games hergestellt werden und somit a.) das "Gute" Resin benutzen und b.) vermutlich nicht wirklich preiswert werden, oder?!
Hmmm... Entsprechend hab ich grad mal die Befürchtung das die Specialist Games wohl ne Nobelspielmarke werden... Aber mal abwarten... Nicht gleich schwarzsehen....😀
 
#208
Ok, not exactly much to show here except the poster below.However talking to Andy Hoare, Mark Bedford and Chris Drew I can mention the following:


  • [*=left]The game is set during the Horus Heresy in the spirit of the original Adeptus Titanicus.
    [*=left]It will begin with just Titans.
    [*=left]The scale will be 8mm – They decided on this scale after 3D printing a Marine, Dread, Leman Russ, Warlord and a Mastodon in three different scales. 8mm was deemed the best as you could see the details to the point of telling different armour marks apart but didn’t make the Titans too big.
    [*=left]8mm will make a Warlord around 6″ tall (that’s what it looked like why Andy Hoare put his hands apart, don’t blame me if the final model is smaller or larger…).
    [*=left]The models will be produced in resin by Forge World.
    [*=left]Typical force may be in the region of two Warlords, two Reavers and two-three Warhounds.
    [*=left]More Titan variants are possible.
    [*=left]Down the road infantry and tanks are to be introduced.
    [*=left]Other forces are also possible, this includes Xenos which can be introduced in a themed expansion, e.g. Adeptus Titanicus: Armageddon to bring in the Orks.
    [*=left]Currently the Titans are being 3D modelled by Chris Drew, the Warlord has been done as the 40k version was originally 3D modelled so it was a case of just scaling things down and getting it to work as a model which can be manufactured.

We may, may, get to see something at the Forge World Open Day…(may, depending on Tony Cottrell)
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Finde ich richtig gut. Ich wünsche mir schon lange ein neues Epic. Seinerzeit in den 90ern war ich noch ein armer, junger Schüler und hatte leider nicht das Geld, um mir die imperiale Panzerkompanie zu kaufen, die ich damals haben wollte. Aber auch wenn die erst mal nur mit den Titanen anfangen, bin ich dabei.

Ich würde mir außerdem wünschen, dass auch die Imperialen Ritter von Anfang an mit dabei sind. Historisch passen die auf jeden Fall auch rein, wenn auch eher nur auf der Seite des Imperiums.

Ich bin auf jeden Fall gespannt, auch wenn es diese Jahr nichts mehr mit werden wird. Freue ich mich umso mehr auf 2017.
 
#209
Da scheinbar Epic schon weiter Fortgeschritten ist und aus der Planungsphase weitestgehend draußen ist würde ich mit einem Release von Adeptus Titanicus bereits recht zugig nach Blood Bowl rechnen.

Zu Warmaster ist bisher garnichts bekannt. Ich kann mir aber gut vorstellen das sie das nutzen werden um "die-Welt-die-war" wieder ins geschehen zu rücken, sofern Warmaster überhaupt geplant ist. Nützlich um die alte WHFB-Welt wieder zum leben zu erwecken wäre es aufjedenfall. AoS Warhamster kann ich mir überhaopt nicht vorstellen.
 
#210
Ferox21 schrieb:
Ich würde mir außerdem wünschen, dass auch die Imperialen Ritter von Anfang an mit dabei sind. Historisch passen die auf jeden Fall auch rein, wenn auch eher nur auf der Seite des Imperiums.
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Knights gab es auf beiden Seiten. Nach dem Bruderkrieg haben nur die Loyalen eine Jagd auf die restlichen Verräter gestartet, sodass wenig von denen übrig blieb.
 
#211
Eversor schrieb:
Knights gab es auf beiden Seiten. Nach dem Bruderkrieg haben nur die Loyalen eine Jagd auf die restlichen Verräter gestartet, sodass wenig von denen übrig blieb.
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Ja, aber wenn ich den Codex Knights noch richtig im Kopf habe, denn sind nur sehr wenig Ritterhäuser in der Heresy abtrünnig geworden, was in erster Linie an den Loyalitätsprogrammen des Mechanicusthrones der Ritter gelegen hat.
 
#213
GeneralGrundmann schrieb:
Mit anderen Worten, die Knights haben eine eingebaute Wegfahrsperre gegen illoyale Verräter-Piloten? ;-)


Gruß
GeneralGrundmann
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Das wird jetzt etwas off-topic, aber ja. Ich habe eben noch mal im Codex Knights geblättert, dort steht, dass in der Heresy nur eine handvoll Häuser von einigen hundert die Seiten gewechselt haben.

Der Throne Mechanicum verhindert jetzt nicht den Verrat, aber er erzeugt automatisch in den Piloten ein Gefühl von Ehre und Loyalität der Menschheit gegenüber. Dies kann der Ritterpilot aber willentlich überschreiben, nur kostet es enorme Willenanstrengung - und er wird ständig danach vom Thron mit seinem Verrat konfrontiert - so dass er langsam aber sicher durchdreht. Ähnlich wie die Chaos Cybots...
 
#214
Ferox21 schrieb:
Das wird jetzt etwas off-topic, aber ja. Ich habe eben noch mal im Codex Knights geblättert, dort steht, dass in der Heresy nur eine handvoll Häuser von einigen hundert die Seiten gewechselt haben.

Der Throne Mechanicum verhindert jetzt nicht den Verrat, aber er erzeugt automatisch in den Piloten ein Gefühl von Ehre und Loyalität der Menschheit gegenüber. Dies kann der Ritterpilot aber willentlich überschreiben, nur kostet es enorme Willenanstrengung - und er wird ständig danach vom Thron mit seinem Verrat konfrontiert - so dass er langsam aber sicher durchdreht. Ähnlich wie die Chaos Cybots...
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:lol: Das ist ja härter als jeder Sailormoon Plot. Vielleicht sollte ich doch hin und wieder mal einen Blick in die Hintergrundsektion der Codizes werfen, wenn da solche Schenkelklopfer drin stehen.
 
#216
Hm, das mit Adeptus Mechanicus klingt allerdings interessant. Bin schon immer ein Fan von Titanen gewesen - nur ist da in meinem Umfeld alles größer als ein Warhound kaum spielbar. Je nach Bepreisung würde ich da über einen Warlord-Titan als Vitrinenmodell (da in groß einfach zu teuer dafür^^) sogar nachdenken. Bin gespannt wie groß der letztlich wird - nicht das der am Ende einen besseren Imperial Knight abgibt 😛.
 
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