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Neuer Space Marines Codex - schon wieder Dosen!
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Nein, der Desintegrator war der Conversion Beamer. Das ist eine Waffe, die Masse in Energie umwandelt. So ist es leichter, Modelle mit einen guten Rüstungswurf zu töten (Weil mehr Masse durch die Rüstung), als Modelle mit einem Schlechten. Man konnte also Termis leichter killen als Gotz. Genau andersherum als normal sozusagen. Sie tauchte noch im Ausrüstungsbuch der 2. Edi auf.
nix virales marekting die unschärfe kommt duch eine schnöde plastik Folie, aber die gyrokopter sehen solide aus und 1:1 wie das Artwork im Ork codex*
Defintiv für 60€ ein guter kauf, Ja Ich werde sie bei meinem Händler meines vertrauens kaufen und nicht für 60 Dollar aus USA imprortieren
Interessant ist auch das die box für 59,90 und das Regelbuch für 40€ kommt ergo bleibt das Einsteigerpaket unter den pysologisch schwelle des 3 stelligen Betrages.
Uns kann das unter dem Strich egal sein aber GW marketings chimpansen werden sich für diesen "Geniesteich" sich sicher gegenseitig die Eier lecken.
*Meine Geißel Artwork Modell Theroie wieder einmal bestätigt
Defintiv für 60€ ein guter kauf, Ja Ich werde sie bei meinem Händler meines vertrauens kaufen und nicht für 60 Dollar aus USA imprortieren
Interessant ist auch das die box für 59,90 und das Regelbuch für 40€ kommt ergo bleibt das Einsteigerpaket unter den pysologisch schwelle des 3 stelligen Betrages.
Uns kann das unter dem Strich egal sein aber GW marketings chimpansen werden sich für diesen "Geniesteich" sich sicher gegenseitig die Eier lecken.
*Meine Geißel Artwork Modell Theroie wieder einmal bestätigt
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Okay jetzt bin ich schlauer. Auf Lexicanum gibts ja nur ne vage Beschreibung und einen Hinweis auf Früh-Zeit-40K-Spiele.
Ja Space Quest mit der Nullzeitkanone - hach wie friedfertig 😉
Ach ja, kleiner Nachtrag. Das was hier gepostet wurde, zeigt (vermutlich) wirklich einen Plasmawerfer. Ein Conversion Beamer sieht so aus: (Rechts ist das vordere Ende 😉 )
Ok bin ic der einzige der durch das teil mal so garnicht durchsteigt? Wodrum dreht sich denn eigendlich hier die diskusion soll da ein modell rauskommen oder ... ?
(Sry ic hab irgendwie nicht aufgepasst und das thema hat sich von
(Sry ic hab irgendwie nicht aufgepasst und das thema hat sich von
ein wenig wegbewegt wäre nett wenn das nochmal einer für mich wiederholen könnte:wacko🙂
Das ist auch, wenn ich mich nicht täusche, die Variante des Symbionten Cults.
Im neuen SM Codex soll ein Modell (ein Captain) den Gerüchten nach einen Conversionbeamer tragen.
Un der ersten/zweiten Edition hatte man noch alle schweren Waffen schultergestützt getragen. Davon ist man ja immer weiter weggegangen im Zuge eines cooleren Designs. Es dürften also beide Möglichkeiten offenbleiben.
Also Dosen sind ja an sich langweilig, aber auf diese Waffe bin ich echt mal gespannt. Ich denke mal, sie wird irgendeine Sonderregel bekommen. Wenn nicht, wäre ich etwas enttäuscht. Wie wird wohl die deutsche Übersetzung sein? Desintegrator war ja ne StarQuest-Übersetzung.
Desintegrationsstrahler war die Bezeichnung in der zweiten Edition.
Um meine Meinung über den neuen Codex kund zu tun muss ich einfach folgenden Artikel zitieren, da er (obwohl er schon 4 Jahre alt ist) sehr passend ist...
Here they are. They are the Emperor's Finests. They spite acid, they have three lungs, fangs, an adamantium exoskeleton, two hearts and half a brain. They are the Space Marines and They Shall Know Nothin'.
The Rise of Power-Armored Humanity
Humanity, seen through Games Workshop eyes, should prevail.
In first and second edition of Warhammer 40'000, the game wasn't Imperium centric enough: numerous text were written by Eldar characters, depicted Genestealer cults and so on without always ruminating on the Emperor and His Space Marines. Second edition provided better Space Marines than the first (one point of toughness here, one better armor save there for no point change - business as usual) but other races still fared quite well. If players were too dumb to notice what the game was all about, Games Workshop would teach them in a way no one would ignore. The giant leap foward came with 3rd edition, where one could say with confidence that rules were incredibly bent to favor Space Marines. At least!
Thanks for Mankind and the fascist Imperium of Man, since then Space Marines are simply the best at everything. They beat specialists from other armies even in their respective field of expertise. Assault Marines match Genestealers in hand-to-hand fights. Space Marine Devastators are more cost-effective and versatile than Eldar Dark Reapers, embodiment of long-range support. Nothing comes close to Space Marine statline point-wise. The Elite of the Imperium is immune to most morale rules, has the best tanks, the cheapest transports and, should need arise, they can rely on their trusty 3+ save everytime.
It's worth noticing that "true" dedicated Space Marine players, remnants of old times, weren't all too happy with this trend. Most of them grew uncomfortable with the crowd of brats fielding loosely spray-painted armies and claiming to belong to the same brotherhood. That's the problem when a game balance is broken: it's no secret.
Of course this pro-marine obsession turned ludicrous long ago. In my personal Hall of Fame of broken rules favoring Space Marines, the rules for open topped vehicles comes ahead. Open-topped vehicles are more vulnerable than regular tanks, yet Space Marines field some. Hence something was needed. This rule therefore states that open-topped vehicles driven by Marines does not count as open-topped anymore because (drum rolls...) the crew is in Power Armor! Don't search for any logic in this dumb rule beyond usage of the word "because". More than a roof, Power Armor: In It You Feel Like Home™.
Age of Uniformity
Obviously, Space Marines are the only choice for newcomers and veterans alike. They are the cream of the crop. They are in plastic. They are easy to paint. They are advertised in each and every White Dwarf. They are available in many flavors: Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Black Templars, Space Wolves, 13th Company, Cursed Founding, DeathWatch, Salamanders, Ultramarines, Inquisitors, each one featuring special rules and a dedicated army list, or even customizable traits to get the most of custom chapters. Wait - I just wrote about loyalist Space Marines only... There's also Chaos Space Marines: the Evil Twins!
Every player chooses his allegeance: Plain Color Space Marines or Spiky Space Marines and their odd tentacles. Who said Games Workshop does not promote diversity?
In those great times of Plastic Space Marine Sprues, this product line makes up for more than 50% of Games Workshop's W40K sales (2004 figures). Marines sell three times as much as the second best selling army... Chaos Space Marines!
Of course, few players will admit openly that they chose Space Marine for in-game reasons - and knowing White Dwarf advertising towards them, it may even be true. Apart from the dusty blisters hanging around, alternate races barely seem to exist. If you ever mention Commorragh in front of a group of young players, someone will certainly ask for the chapter this special character belongs to...
No Guts, No Glory
Every battle requires an opponent, and bland Space Marines vs Space Marines games are now the norm rather than the exception - unless a player enjoys to get trashed for the sake of miniature variety. Those good souls field hopeless armies like Dark Eldar or Orks, whose product line is not yet completely published after 4 years... Or just the most anti-Space Marine list their long outdated codex can produce. Who can honestly blame them?
Nobody likes to be the target of super-duper genetically engineered superior elite fighters. It's not that they are unbeatable. In a game as random as Warhammer 40'000 is, nothing is unbeatable - even an army of 10-points Terminators. Yet, it's not because it can be beaten that it's fair.
Most races will get wiped out when facing Marines. Their players are, in effect, taking a handicap for the sake of variety. While there are people doing that, others prefer to play in fashions that keep their chances of winning intact - by fielding Marines themselves.
Space Marine players have a weakness though: they learn little. It's a consequence of an army ignoring most morale rules, scoffing at cover and whose heavy weapon squads can beat the crap out of enemy hand-to-hand specialists. Yet, one must be cunning, lucky or downright cheesy to have any hope of winning a game vs a skilled marine player.
Of course, Space Marines in the hands of a stalwart commander (who hopefully learned the game with another army) ends up in a deadly combination. But most of the time, as read in Games Workshop's forums, losing a game just translates into complaints, not humility: "I play Space Marine and I lost to a non-Space Marine player! How can it be? Fix them, they're bloody borken!"
How do you spell Disaster?
As I wrote, Games Workshop's bias is no secret. Here are two fun quotes regarding game balance:
"The Gold Space Marines are like Super Space Marines +2. They make the Super Black Red X Space Marines look like Blue Space Marines. They're so awesome we don't let normal people play them. To unlock Gold Space Marines you have to win five Grand Tournaments using Dark Space Elfs, Dead Space Elfs, Orks, Tau and Kroot in that order. Then you will be given a special Gold Space Marine army box with a Gold Space Marine Codex written all in Imperial Gothic. - Sneak Preview of Codex Gold Space Marines" -- Kid Kyoto
"I've heard that the next Black Templar codex will feature a special vow called "And they shall know no incoming fire". Essentially for 5 points per model, it won't be possible for any Xenos race to fire on Black Templars for any reason. This will be partially balanced by the fact that Black Templars will not be able to take bikes with flamers." -- GreenJello
Other races do exist, with an interesting history, nicely sculpted miniatures, original fighting style, everything to create a balanced gaming group full of variety. But Space Marines suffocate Warhammer 40'000 rule-wise and background-wise. Many players have the impression that other races to exist just to give alternate targets. Games Workshop's incredible scorn towards everything apart Marines is disgusting many.
Even now, Space Marine players find the game boring, and the few others can't expect anything new for their armies for years. It's not the release of Hive Fleet Albino that will change anything. I can't explain Games Workshop's bias towards Space Marines and I don't care: it's killing them softly. Accordingly to current thread, in few years I wouldn't be surprised to see all non-human races gathered in a single Codex:Not Marines.
Here they are. They are the Emperor's Finests. They spite acid, they have three lungs, fangs, an adamantium exoskeleton, two hearts and half a brain. They are the Space Marines and They Shall Know Nothin'.
The Rise of Power-Armored Humanity
Humanity, seen through Games Workshop eyes, should prevail.
In first and second edition of Warhammer 40'000, the game wasn't Imperium centric enough: numerous text were written by Eldar characters, depicted Genestealer cults and so on without always ruminating on the Emperor and His Space Marines. Second edition provided better Space Marines than the first (one point of toughness here, one better armor save there for no point change - business as usual) but other races still fared quite well. If players were too dumb to notice what the game was all about, Games Workshop would teach them in a way no one would ignore. The giant leap foward came with 3rd edition, where one could say with confidence that rules were incredibly bent to favor Space Marines. At least!
Protected by the Emperor.
It's worth noticing that "true" dedicated Space Marine players, remnants of old times, weren't all too happy with this trend. Most of them grew uncomfortable with the crowd of brats fielding loosely spray-painted armies and claiming to belong to the same brotherhood. That's the problem when a game balance is broken: it's no secret.
Of course this pro-marine obsession turned ludicrous long ago. In my personal Hall of Fame of broken rules favoring Space Marines, the rules for open topped vehicles comes ahead. Open-topped vehicles are more vulnerable than regular tanks, yet Space Marines field some. Hence something was needed. This rule therefore states that open-topped vehicles driven by Marines does not count as open-topped anymore because (drum rolls...) the crew is in Power Armor! Don't search for any logic in this dumb rule beyond usage of the word "because". More than a roof, Power Armor: In It You Feel Like Home™.
Age of Uniformity
Obviously, Space Marines are the only choice for newcomers and veterans alike. They are the cream of the crop. They are in plastic. They are easy to paint. They are advertised in each and every White Dwarf. They are available in many flavors: Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Black Templars, Space Wolves, 13th Company, Cursed Founding, DeathWatch, Salamanders, Ultramarines, Inquisitors, each one featuring special rules and a dedicated army list, or even customizable traits to get the most of custom chapters. Wait - I just wrote about loyalist Space Marines only... There's also Chaos Space Marines: the Evil Twins!
Every player chooses his allegeance: Plain Color Space Marines or Spiky Space Marines and their odd tentacles. Who said Games Workshop does not promote diversity?
In those great times of Plastic Space Marine Sprues, this product line makes up for more than 50% of Games Workshop's W40K sales (2004 figures). Marines sell three times as much as the second best selling army... Chaos Space Marines!
Of course, few players will admit openly that they chose Space Marine for in-game reasons - and knowing White Dwarf advertising towards them, it may even be true. Apart from the dusty blisters hanging around, alternate races barely seem to exist. If you ever mention Commorragh in front of a group of young players, someone will certainly ask for the chapter this special character belongs to...
No Guts, No Glory
Every battle requires an opponent, and bland Space Marines vs Space Marines games are now the norm rather than the exception - unless a player enjoys to get trashed for the sake of miniature variety. Those good souls field hopeless armies like Dark Eldar or Orks, whose product line is not yet completely published after 4 years... Or just the most anti-Space Marine list their long outdated codex can produce. Who can honestly blame them?
Marneus Calgar (unknown painter)
Most races will get wiped out when facing Marines. Their players are, in effect, taking a handicap for the sake of variety. While there are people doing that, others prefer to play in fashions that keep their chances of winning intact - by fielding Marines themselves.
Space Marine players have a weakness though: they learn little. It's a consequence of an army ignoring most morale rules, scoffing at cover and whose heavy weapon squads can beat the crap out of enemy hand-to-hand specialists. Yet, one must be cunning, lucky or downright cheesy to have any hope of winning a game vs a skilled marine player.
Of course, Space Marines in the hands of a stalwart commander (who hopefully learned the game with another army) ends up in a deadly combination. But most of the time, as read in Games Workshop's forums, losing a game just translates into complaints, not humility: "I play Space Marine and I lost to a non-Space Marine player! How can it be? Fix them, they're bloody borken!"
How do you spell Disaster?
As I wrote, Games Workshop's bias is no secret. Here are two fun quotes regarding game balance:
"The Gold Space Marines are like Super Space Marines +2. They make the Super Black Red X Space Marines look like Blue Space Marines. They're so awesome we don't let normal people play them. To unlock Gold Space Marines you have to win five Grand Tournaments using Dark Space Elfs, Dead Space Elfs, Orks, Tau and Kroot in that order. Then you will be given a special Gold Space Marine army box with a Gold Space Marine Codex written all in Imperial Gothic. - Sneak Preview of Codex Gold Space Marines" -- Kid Kyoto
"I've heard that the next Black Templar codex will feature a special vow called "And they shall know no incoming fire". Essentially for 5 points per model, it won't be possible for any Xenos race to fire on Black Templars for any reason. This will be partially balanced by the fact that Black Templars will not be able to take bikes with flamers." -- GreenJello
Other races do exist, with an interesting history, nicely sculpted miniatures, original fighting style, everything to create a balanced gaming group full of variety. But Space Marines suffocate Warhammer 40'000 rule-wise and background-wise. Many players have the impression that other races to exist just to give alternate targets. Games Workshop's incredible scorn towards everything apart Marines is disgusting many.
Even now, Space Marine players find the game boring, and the few others can't expect anything new for their armies for years. It's not the release of Hive Fleet Albino that will change anything. I can't explain Games Workshop's bias towards Space Marines and I don't care: it's killing them softly. Accordingly to current thread, in few years I wouldn't be surprised to see all non-human races gathered in a single Codex:Not Marines.
@Athenys:
Klingt lustig und beschreibt recht gut den GW Trend bezüglich Space Marines. Dennoch, Space Marines hatten und haben auf Turnieren nichts zu melden, weshalb ich in dieser Hinsicht bezüglich der Härte von Space Marines eindeutig widersprechen muss.
Aber dennoch, lustiger Artikel.
Klingt lustig und beschreibt recht gut den GW Trend bezüglich Space Marines. Dennoch, Space Marines hatten und haben auf Turnieren nichts zu melden, weshalb ich in dieser Hinsicht bezüglich der Härte von Space Marines eindeutig widersprechen muss.
Aber dennoch, lustiger Artikel.
hach..
nichts ist so amüsant wie ein GUT GESCHRIEBENER Ausraßter.
Kann man nur empfehlen.
Wie Jaq hinwieß ist die Quintessenz des Textes zwar zweifelhaft, ABER es macht wenigstens großen Spaß ihn zu lesen 😀 😉
ps: CSM sind zweit meißt verkaufte 40K armee ? Warum bekamen wir dann nur so wenige neue Modelle ? gemeinheit, ich fordere neue (vorhandene) Außerkorene/Cybots/DPmitFlügeln *grummel*
nichts ist so amüsant wie ein GUT GESCHRIEBENER Ausraßter.
Kann man nur empfehlen.
Wie Jaq hinwieß ist die Quintessenz des Textes zwar zweifelhaft, ABER es macht wenigstens großen Spaß ihn zu lesen 😀 😉
ps: CSM sind zweit meißt verkaufte 40K armee ? Warum bekamen wir dann nur so wenige neue Modelle ? gemeinheit, ich fordere neue (vorhandene) Außerkorene/Cybots/DPmitFlügeln *grummel*
@jhh25 - hätte nicht gedacht das sich der Inhalt von 10 seiten so leicht zusammenfassen lässt danke für die nachhilfe, soll es dazu jetzt auch ein neues modell geben? wenn ja dann sollten se da besser draufschreiben wo vorne und wo hinten ist!:wacko:
@Koala thx für die erinnerung an die scene aus deiner signatur wer die nicht kennt sollte das nachholen is echt zu empfelen
-Riddik , Chroniken eines Kriegers heute um 20:15 auf rtl oder sat1😎
@Koala thx für die erinnerung an die scene aus deiner signatur wer die nicht kennt sollte das nachholen is echt zu empfelen
-Riddik , Chroniken eines Kriegers heute um 20:15 auf rtl oder sat1😎
Ich hab mich gekugelt vor Lachen:lol:
Gut, dass soetwas selbst bei GW nicht allzu realistisch ist.
@ Zahnfleisch:
Leider ist das noch einer der realistischen Vorwürfe...
Ich mein, sieh dir mal die Ordenswesenzüge an...
6 Cybots/Devastoren dafür das man dann keine Alliierten verwenden darf(welcher Noob kennt überhaupt Alliierte??) und von so nachteilen wie: nur 1 Landraider/Predator fnagen wir mal garnicht erst an zu reden...;P
Leider ist das noch einer der realistischen Vorwürfe...
Ich mein, sieh dir mal die Ordenswesenzüge an...
6 Cybots/Devastoren dafür das man dann keine Alliierten verwenden darf(welcher Noob kennt überhaupt Alliierte??) und von so nachteilen wie: nur 1 Landraider/Predator fnagen wir mal garnicht erst an zu reden...;P
Bei diesem Satz musste ich irgendwie an Jerwis Johnson und seinen Sohn denken...