Gerüchtesammlung - Warhammer - Age Of Sigmar

[Warmaster]

Gerüchte:

Angesichts der gerade im Warseer Forum von Darnok geposteten Neuigkeiten ein eigener Thread zu diesem Thema...

Die 9. Edition steht bekanntlich vor der Tür. Sehr wahrscheinlich ist ein Release des neuen Regelbuchs im Mai 2015.

Update: Pre-Order Termin schon im April 2015

Originally Posted by Darnok
I've heard about 9th hitting in April. Either way, a bit earlier than I had guessed a few weeks ago.

Und... es ändert sich viel... sehr viel

Darnok hat die unten aufgeführten Gespräche mit verschiedenen Personen (von ihm Birdy genannt) über einen längeren Zeitraum geführt, die Infos gesammelt, noch mal nachgehakt, sie sortiert und so überarbeitet hat, daß die Quellen nicht um ihre Zukunft bei GW fürchten müssen.

Die Veränderungen die die 9. Edition bringen soll sind ziemlich radikal...

Warhammer - And Now For Something Completely Different

If you like Warhammer, I suggest you better take a seat.

Over the last few months I got a few glimpses on what WHF could change to in the very near future. I have collected messages, asked questions, and tried to form a somewhat coherent picture. The one thing I believe by now is: Warhammer in its current form will no longer be supported by GW. It will be transformed into something else, with everything built up in background and most of the model range being kicked out of the door.

To give you an insight into some of the messages I got, have a look at the following. Please note that I am paraphrasing at times, and have cut out (hopefully) everything that could lead to the original identities of my friendly birdies.

Originally Posted by Birdy
- 9th Edition to pick up where the ET leaves off in fluff, plus a couple of hundred years or so (to reboot the setting).

- The Warhammer World gets shattered on a dimensional level during the climax of the ET. No more "map of the Old World" - it's now little bubbles of reality, where pockets of civilisation try desperately to eke a living before the next collision with another bubble, which may be full of Chaos. (To address the problem of "how come my Tomb Kings of Khemri are fighting against Wood Elves from Athel Loren?", not that I get the impression that either of those will still exist, but you get the idea)

- New faction... heavily armoured, religious, "good" human warriors fighting with the power of the gods. (Warhammer Space Marines, basically). Karl Franz Ascended seems to be the prototype or precursor for this concept, AFAICT.

Originally Posted by Another Birdy
9th edition will have 6 factions. Model diversity cut in half shelf space. New world and new age so current factions and lore aren't recognizable at all. Each new faction has like 3 core units that will always be on the shelf. Much faster releases of stuff, mainly characters and special units of 2-5 fancy models (like Morghasts) that have their own rules right in the box, so not dependent on a static army book. Many of the these non-core models are only available for a limited time (say 6 months to a year), so they don't take up shelf space forever and ever. Many existing models are not usable in 9th.

Originally Posted by Birdy #3
We can expect the next edition of Fantasy to throw everything up in the air. The whole End Times move has been to wean people onto a whole new take on the Warhammer world and it's going to start with every army being "chaosified". We can expect army play styles and appearance to change quite dramatically and there will be a whole load of new models being released early on to tie everything together. This has caused quite a stir back at GW HQ as there are a lot of people behind the scenes (some of which are very well known to us) who don't like the changes that have been made. I have also been told that the models due to be released are some of the best to date!

Add to that (and by "Birdy Prime" I mean my best source so far):

Originally Posted by Birdy Prime
'9th' [or] whatever is next for fantasy [...] coming 2015 in the summer. The new faction [plus] future releases after this point for five 'existing' factions (which plus this would make six) […] but I think there will be [...] more.

As you can see, it will be drastic. It seems like those „Spanish rumours“ might have had some more flesh on them than I thought: I am by now sorry for my sometimes nasty words about them. And despite my remorse about ever mentioning it, I think my statement about a „ragestorm of epic proportions“ could have been correct after all.

This whole thing will turn out to be either correct or not in less than six months. Hopefully we can get over our worst emotions until then.


P.S.: I have sat on most of this since right before Christmas, but decided I didn't want to ruin anybodies holidays. I also had high hopes for somebody relieving me from this stuff... but that hope was lost.
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Link: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...er-And-Now-For-Something-Completely-Different




Eine Zusammenfassung und Übersetzung von Kahless in der Tabletopwelt [Übersetzungsfehler von mir korrigiert]

Muss nicht stimmen, sind ja nur Gerüchte, aber Darnok auf WarSeer sagt (und in letzter Zeit hatte er meist recht mit seinen Gerüchten):

- 9te Edition macht da weiter, wo die End Times aufhören + ein paar hundert Jahre.

- Die Warhammerwelt wird zerstört, und auf einer dimensionalen Ebene in kleine "Taschen" der Realität geteilt. Die Bewohner versuchen dort krampfhaft zu überleben, während sie darauf warten, dass ihre Tasche mit einer anderen kollidiert und es zu Kämpfen kommt.

- eine neue Fraktion von göttlichen, schwer gepanzerten Kriegern. Da sie technisch nicht im Weltall kämpfen, nennt man sie Dimensional Marines. Ev. so wie der neue Karl Franz.

- [Dazu kommen 5 weitere Fraktionen] Vielleicht wird es später mehr Fraktionen geben. Die 6 sinds von Anfang an, um die Nachfrage decken zu können.

- Das Miniaturen[angebot] wird zu Beginn [...] halbiert. Viele aktuelle Modelle werden nicht weiter unterstützt. Jede Fraktion hat einen Kern an Einheiten, die immer verfügbar sind. (Kernminiatruenreihe), und dazu kommen temporär verfügbare Modelle, die dann tatsächlich nur einige Monate/Wochen kaufbar sein werden, aber immer gespielt werden können, mit Regeln in der jeweiligen Box.

- Wir können davon ausgehen dass Armeen und Spielstil drastisch verändert werden. GW scheint vielen seiner alten Hasen (sprich Spiel- und Miniaturendesigner) damit gewaltig ans Bein gepisst zu haben und die sind in letzter Zeit alle gegangen.

- Das ganze kommt im Sommer 2015. Vorher außer EndTimes nichts mehr für Warhammer.

Also ich hoffe mal es stimmt nicht ...

http://www.tabletopwelt.de/index.ph...cheinungen-2014-für-warhammer-fantasy/page-92

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Harry hat vorhin im Warseer Forum geschrieben daß wir mit großer Wahrscheinlichkeit ein WFB Chaos vs Humans-Starterset bekommen werden. Wie diese Fraktionen letztendlich aussehen ist ihm nicht bekannt.

Link zu Harry's Post

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...ly-Different&p=7351356&viewfull=1#post7351356

 

[Warmaster]

Shurion hat im Warhammer-Board einen Post aus dem Warseer Forum von Harry übersetzt:

Harry hat vor ein paar Stunden einen sehr langen und lesenswerten Post gemacht, den ich hier gern sinngemäß widergeben möchte.

Zitat von »Harry«

„Die Aussage mit den runden Bases ist nur ein Gerücht. Ich denke nicht, dass die 6 Fraktionen ausschließlich neue seien werden – wenn überhaupt! Ich wollte nur auf die Idee hinweisen, dass etwas neues eine echte Möglichkeit ist – zusätzlich zu den Rassen die wir schon kennen.“


Daraufhin folgte das Zitat hier:

Zitat von »Mike3791«

Ich lese die Gerüchte auf der ersten Seite des Threads und deine (Harry’s) Kommentare auf der ersten Seite. So wie ich das verstehe, bleiben alle Fantasyrassen bestehen, aber benutzen einfach komplett neue Namen. Wie die Leute vermuten ist das so, damit GW einen eisernen Griff über sein geistiges Eigentum haben kann. Die Leute begreifen einfach den Kontext nicht. Ich kann mir gut vorstellen, dass Miniaturen rausfliegen, aber ich denke das neuere Zeug ist ziemlich sicher. Vieles in der WHFB Miniaturenreihe ist alt und hässlich genug um Leute vom Kauf abzubringen.

„Einfach nur die Namen der Fraktionen ändern (Von Elfen in Asur zum Beispiel) würde GW nicht ermöglichen, ihr geistiges Eigentum (IP) besser zu schützen. Auch wenn ich es Grünhaut Allianz nenne, werden die Leute immer noch Orks und Gobbos (oder bei uns deutschen Obst und Gemüse, Orkze, und so weiter) sagen. Wenn ich aber ihre Uniformen und ihren Stil verändere, dann krieg ich die Leute auch vllt dazu, den neuen Namen zu verwenden. Mache ich eine ganz neue Rasse mit 4 Armen und 2 Köpfen, dann steigt die Chance signifikant.“„Ein weiterer ausgezeichneter Schutz ist auch, wenn GW einfach folgendes tun kann: Sie produzieren (Zahl aus der Luft gegriffen) 100 000 Kopien und verkaufen sie mit Profit. Dann bringen sie etwas neues und reduzieren das Bedürfnis, diese Miniatur zu verkaufen, indem sie den Leuten etwas neues geben, was sie haben wollen, bevor ein anderer Hersteller eine billige Kopie machen kann. Die Wahl ist: Wenn du es haben willst, kauf von GW, oder warte ein Jahr, bis es jemand anderes herstellt oder du es gebraucht und schlecht bemalt von eBay kriegst, und dann ist der Nutzen schon stark eingeschränkt, bzw es gibt bereits etwas neues. Wenn sie für jeden neuen Release den gleichen enthusiasmus generieren können wie für die End Times Sachen – brilliant.
Und der Schuldige dabei sind wir. Solange die Leute bereit sind, das doppelte für einen Orkboss zu bezahlen, der nen anderen Kopf hat als der gewöhnliche, nur weil er limitiert ist, macht GW weiter. Solange die Leute das Gefühl haben, dass sie alles Neue BRAUCHEN, dass eine, coole, dass sonst niemand hat, ist das nicht nur ein machbares, sondern potentiell sehr profitables Geschäftsmodell."

Zitat von »SpineyNorman«

Was auch immer passiert, kann ich mir nicht vorstellen, wie alle bestehenden Armeen in nur 6 Fraktionen gequetscht werden. Das würde sich zu erzwungen anfühlen, zu seltsam. Es werden vllt nur ein paar wenige sein, aber ich denke die eine oder andere Rasse wird komplett ins Gras beissen wird.
Die Sache mit der Ästhetik ist eine Meinung (hier geht’s um jemand anderes denke ich) und sicherlich NICHT universell anwendbar. Es gibt einige ältere Bausätze (aber nicht mehr als 2 – 3 pro Armee (Bretonen ausgenommen…), aber zu sagen dass es die Mehrzahl ist einfach falsch, in jeder Hinsicht. Ausserdem haben auch die älteren Kits noch Fans. Alles eine Frage des Geschmacks. Wenn dir eine Armee nicht gefällt, dann such dir eine mit Modellen die du hübscher findest.

„Gestern bin ich mal ein wenig durch die Warhammer-miniaturen gegangen und hab für mich mal geschaut was ‚lebt‘ und was ‚stirbt‘. Ich war sehr überrascht wie alt manche der Bausätze aussehen. Auch ein paar der neuen Miniaturen sehen so aus als ob sie so gestaltet wurden, dass sie mit dem alten ‚Zeug‘ zusammenpassen. Was mir aber noch mehr aufgefallen ist, ist, dass es 2 verschiedene Looks gibt, die sich eingeschlichen haben. Es gibt eine klare Abgrenzung zwischen dem alten, ‚comic-heroic‘ look, und einem neuen, ‚realistischeren‘ und eleganterem look. Schau selbst, und du wirst sehen was ich meine.
Versteh mich nicht falsch, ich weiß was du meinst. Ich mag den alten Stil. Aber der springende Punkt ist…
Die Tatsache, dass es zwei unterschiedliche Looks gibt, IST ein Hindernis für den Einstieg. Magst du den neuen Stil wirst du eine Armee mit vielen alten Modellen nicht spielen wollen. Magst du den alten Stil, dann wirst du keine Armee spielen, die viele neue Modelle hat, oder wo die Modelle bald überarbeitet werden könnten.
Wenn ich mir die Miniaturenreihe ansehe, ist der Oldhammer/Newhammer split sehr sehr offensichtlich. Ich hab mich am Kopf gekratzt, und ich denke ich habs verstanden. GW ist seinem eigenen historischen Erfolg zum Opfer gefallen.Nimm die Hochelfen-miniaturen als Beispiel, eine meiner Lieblingsarmeen. Die Konzeptzeichnungen von Jes Goodwin waren zu Beginn der 4. Edition so prägend, und so stark, dass alle Miniaturen, die seit den 90ern rausgekommen sind nicht anders konnten, als zu diesen Miniaturen dazuzupassen. Das hat geklappt – die Miniaturen passen wunderbar zusammen. Alle sehen sie aus als stammten sie aus den 90ern. Alle Miniaturen sehen out of date aus. Alles sieht so zugehörig zu dem alten Kram aus, dass sie sich schwer tun, irgendetwas NEUES für Hochelfen zu erfinden.
Nur indem man das alte fallenlässt, und ich bin mir sicher, dass das sehr schwer fällt, kann GW wieder wirklich innovativ und kreativ sein.
Nimm dir mal 10 Minuten Zeit, und geh über die GW Miniaturenreihe drüber. Du wirst sehen was ich meine.
Und was mir noch aufgefallen ist, ist die schiere Menge an Miniaturen, die es für jede Armee gibt. Das allein ist schon ein riesiges Hindernis. Es gibt für die meisten Armeen so viel Zeug zu sammeln dass es eine gewaltige Herausforderung ist, alles zu sammeln (und vor allem das alles zu bezahlen…) Grade wenn man schon eine Weile dabei ist kann man das leicht übersehen. Man hat eine Sammlung, und die Armee wächst jedesmal ein bisschen, wenn man etwas neues dazukauft, was neu rauskommt.
Das erklärt ihr Verlangen, die Uhr zurückzustellen. Sie wollen die Möglichkeit, in einem überschaubaren Zeitraum nicht nur alle Miniaturen zu kaufen, sondern auch zu bemalen. Nur so kann man Leute dazu bewegen, öfter ein neues Projekt zu starten, oder überhaupt mit dem Spiel anzufangen. Und wenn man eine so ‚komplette‘ Sammlung hat, ist man auch viel versuchter, etwas neues zu kaufen wenn es rauskommt, viele wollen das sogar so haben, weil sie nichts mehr zu malen haben.
Das Risiko dabei ist einfach: Die große Frage ist, wie viele Leute sie davon überzeugen können, das neue Zeug zu kaufen. Das hängt von vielen Faktoren ab. Wie gut sind die Regeln, wie gut ist das Artwork, wie gut sie auf dem Spieltisch aussehen, qualität der Miniaturen, und natürlich… wieviel sie sich trauen als Preis zu verlangen.
Es geht kaum mehr ‚Oldhammer‘ als ich. Aber ich würde das ganze ausprobieren. Was ich nicht mitmachen werde, ist wenn sie versuchen, mit 60 Witch Elves und einen Blutkessel für 300€ zu verkaufen. Wenn ich bei vollem Bewusstsein beklaut werden will, dann kann ich das für weit weniger Geld."

Zitat von »Tyranno1«

Keine ahnung welche Skelette du dir angeschaut hast. (Ich nehm an das war an jemand anderen gerichtet). Die neuen sind sehr sehr gut, sie sind anatomisch so weit korrekt, dass man Muskeln und Haut dranmodellieren könnte und hätte am Ende einen normalen Menschen.
Es gibt ein paar alte Modelle, aber die Mehrzahl ist ziemlich gut und neu.

"Skelette sind ein tolles Beispiel. Die neuen haben die alten, übergroßen, ersetzt. Die Mehrheit des neuen Krams ist gut, aber nicht alles passt zusammen. Es sind zwei unterschieldiche Stile."

Ich fand das sehr schön ausformuliert, und es klingt alles schlüssig. Es ist ne bittere Medizin, aber manchmal ist das eben nötig.

http://warhammer-board.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=616626#post616626

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Re: Warhammer - And Now For Something Completely Different

Yay ... found it.
Here is everything that Autumn Leaves and I said about this on a thread over 12 months ago.

Originally Posted by Autumn leaves
It's downright sad.
I love Warhammer and I've loved it for years, probably since before some of the younger members here were born. Sadly WFB has not moved with the times and there are so many other options out there now many players have drifted away to them and stayed away.
I had high hopes for my teenage son to follow in my war hammer footsteps but he is not remotely interested in it. God knows I've tried but he is only interested in 40K and not very much either. I can see his his interest waning and all those 40K box sets I bought for him over the years in a vain effort to drag him into the hobby, and then showed him painstakingly how to put together and paint, they are going to be on eBay shortly. The only systems I have managed to get him interested in are the odd game of Space Hulk (yay) and Mantics 'Dwarf Kings Hold'. The idea being if I can keep him interested in DKH then i can turn him onto Mordheim…. but I digress.


A big part of what has taken so many thousands of war hammer players away from war hammer in the last 5 years is three fold and the reasons have been well explained by other members in this thread.
1) Warhammer fluff is generic with slip shod time lines compared to the much better fluff for 40K.
2)The price point has become too high. Big units cost a small fortune and armies look good and play well with big units. The fiscal outlay is prohibitive at bot the entrant level and for the veteran.
3) More modern games have come out with sleeker design features that interest older players looking for something 'different'. Competition has grown up.


Can GW win ground back for the ailing core game?
Of course they can but not by keeping it the same. Many many changes are required to improve its attractiveness to younger market and with the exceedingly precarious performance, that has seen a wide variety of WFB blisters and box sets being deleted by GW from the Indie retailers trade sales selection very scarily shows how little demand there is for the WFB product in the current climate.
When sales drop this low, and it has been happening for a long time, the axe is never far away.
Thats a reality.
Now I'm picking it will be the axe of change not the axe of final destruction that sees WFB take on a new look appealing to the youngsters as a Skirmishing game like 40K and LOtR. Smaller units,much smaller units. Many pundits see the same change approaching as it fits in with the GW sales format. WFB must start to increase it's profitability.
Change is coming.
To keep things the same means that WFB will go the way of the specialist games. Withering profitability = the end.


Can GW fix WFB under it's current format after years of decline in sales?
Possibly but the single biggest problem they have is to get profitability up they have to make it more appealing to the kids at the entrant level.
That would mean changing the format to bring it into line with the other two systems. Especially 40k.
Making it affordable.


1200 points is a skirmish game.
You need 2000 points to have a decent sized game.
If you really like war hammer skirmish then wait for 2015 and thats exactly what you will get as they repackage WFB for the entrant level market.




I have worked for the company.
I still know people that work for the company at Lenton and other parts of the world. I know some popular individuals who used to work for the company. From time to time all of those folks have been useful in offering insights as to what is coming up soon and to how the Kirby Hive mind thinks.
Common sense will tell us that 40K is not going to undergo any changes significant or otherwise, because it's happily making a great deal of money for the PLC.
WFB on the other hand has been suffering on a global level for a long time now and it needs re-booting to return to profitability.
Why would the PLC not take the easiest road to achieving that, by bringing WFB in to mimic the format that is working spectacularly well for 40K beginners?
Warhammer skirmish to get kids and adults in to play the game.
It makes sense and it lowers the entry cost making it instantly more attractive to a wide social strata of customers.
It won't hurt to finish releasing the army books to flesh out 8th edition and it's a fair call to the collectors of those armies without a book for a loooong time. A nod to the customer base. Nice touch.
I really hope the repackaging of war hammer skirmish works because the entire war gamer hobby benefits from the recruiting done by the GW bricks and mortar stores at a beginner entry level.
Perhaps a swan song…


I see Warhammer fantasy Skirmish starter set as a 'stepping stone' into the bigger war hammer game, perfect for entry level, and then options for growth of the beginners army into something more rewarding in time to come.
I can also see scenario aspects of the skirmish game that would lend itself in a slightly campaign way (each game affects the next) toward the Mordheim feel.
This is not a bad thing people, it could be a great new dawning for a system that drastically needs to be overhauled to catch up to the modern thinking that has moved on over the years.
I'm excited about it.
Perhaps introducing a skirmish style entrant level element in 2015 will give GW design a real chance to have the critical time to reinvent the wheel on WFB.
This last line I found interesting. He almost suggests 9th edition will be a temporary fix why they decide what to do with the Mass fantasy battle game???


Originally Posted by Autumn Leaves
Yeah they did fail with Warhammer skirmish in the past but to be fair that was pitched at an adult market more than an entrant level market.
I'm sure they have done their homework and they will make the new box set more attractive both price wise and game design wise than the previous war hammer skirmish.
Also, warhammer skirmish back in the day was quite an attractive game, but we had a fully supported Mordheim to fall back on. The cross over on other in-house systems was an issue for the older gamers.
No cross over now and an opportunity to get interest kindled in starting into fantasy with a skirmish box set.
I really don't think it's going to be a big problem for the older vets.
A new painting challenge.
A new gaming challenge.
Something that is guaranteed to be finished in a single club night. Maybe even two games 😵


WFB needs to be more accessible to the entrant level. Going to skirmish was the obvious choice, and the right choice.
But the round bases might be another issue..
Here is the first time anyone mentioned Round bases in fantasy.... as soon as he said this I knew he was not guessing ...as this was something I had already heard and you simply would never guess this for fantasy


Originally Posted by Malagor
Autumn Leaves, just because you keep repeating the same nonsense over and over again won't stop it from being nonsense.


Originally Posted by Harry
What if, eventually, he is shown to be the only one talking sense?

Originally Posted by Harry
As I have said repeatedly ... I do not know where the dust settled on all of this. Maybe the starter set is a skirmish game as Mr Leaves suggests ... maybe it's not?
Maybe Warhammer 9th is JUST a skirmish game ... as Mr. Leaves suggests ... Maybe it's not? Maybe they found a way of making it scale up successfully from a few figures in a skirmish encounter to an ambush on the vanguard to a full blown battle between two armies, to an apocalyptic 10,000 point battle of DOOOOOOOM!


That's what I have always done with every rules set (every edition) ... some have needed more bending than others.
It is how we did it in olden times.


I have huge armies of most fantasy armies but have always enjoyed playing small skirmish level games ... often as a prelude to and influencing future bigger games. I use smaller games as a way of focussing on individual units and writing their back story so they become more than just "a unit of 25 spearmen" and become something more ... "Bronzino and the Brown jackets, The veterans of skulldoom pass" etc ... you get the point.


Warhammer's origins were Role playing games ... I have always found it hard to shake that off ... thankfully.


I have been playing more 3rd edition than 8th edition recently ... but I still enjoy 8th edition ... however, the two games have very little to do with each other .... so it's not that big a deal to me if 9th edition is different again.
Just another way to enjoy Warhammer.
I am not saying Yes or No ... I am saying "I don't know".
All I know is they started into a 'ground up' re-write a couple of years ago.
Nothing was sacred. Not the timeline. Not the stat line. They started with a fresh page.
Anything could have changed ... Everything could have changed.
I have heard ... a few things since ... but not enough to say with any certainty what 9th edition will be.
Originally Posted by Autumn Leaves
I said Warhammer Fantasy won't be getting a new edition until 2015 and I also said it's going to be warhammer skirmish game in a similar format to the 40K starter sets and I also said that WFB is only contributing 8% of the overall revenue of GW's annual income in the last 12 months and thats a primary reason why the bean counters in the PLC are demanding some serious change to the former flagship core game.
Yes they are going to be 'rejuvenating' the Warhammer fantasy brand so it's more entrant level friendly for the kids.
I have made my predictions and I totally stand by them.
Watch and wait to see if they come true.
The company is undergoing some serious changes, the WD has been revamped already.




Originally Posted by Harry
Maybe they think they have cracked it with 8th edition (for the time being ... or once every army has a nice shiny new book) and the Skirmish thing for Fantasy (That Autumn leaves suggests) is more like Storm of Magic ... except designed to enable smaller games rather than bigger games ... just adding another dimension to the existing core game... Rather than replacing it. Just a thought.
Originally Posted by Autumn Leaves
Warhammer skirmish will be the gateway for the entrant level customers to be introduced to milieu.
Most of us won't buy it for anything other than the ruleset. I played LotR as a skirmish game but my miniatures were all on square bases and rectangular for the horses, so I could use them in war hammer and other systems.
You can easily buy movement trays for round bases to be ranked up in from the net.


The 8% is not a prediction or a rumour, it's a stone cold fact and the number may very sadly be a little high by the 'summer' of 2014 where GW numbers annually take a nosedive.
Gentlemen, wfb is sinking and not slowly, why… WHY do you think there is so much activity going on in the background around the White Dwarf revamp etc


Parents are not buying into a game for their kids where they are staring down the barrel of hundreds and hundreds of pounds just to build 'one army' on GW's current pricing strategy.
40K or LotR offer a cost ceiling in terms of box sets and whats required to crank out a little game for the entrant level customer.
LotR/The Hobbit is running hot at the box office and it's a self contained skirmish game.
40K does not make demands on the customer to purchase a wide variety of Big units. A couple of squads and a dreadnought or a tank and you're done, chances are most parents are thinking those toys will be in bits at the bottom of the toy box in a couple of months anyway. You know how kids are…
If the child shows a genuine interest then the incremental attachment for either LotR and in particular 40K are user friendly. Another squad and/or another tank/dreadnought/APC and you're all set.
They both play well for the entrant level customers and particularly 40K has enjoyed ongoing success and buoyancy.
Try playing war hammer with a unit of 25 models on each side and a general on a mount for each. With a war machine each.
It's beyond dull.
It's ridiculously expensive for what you get.
The actual customers worldwide who are buying these toys for their kids are not stupid. They can see the amount of money required to play war hammer effectively as it was meant to be played and as it is portrayed in the literature within the stores, i.e. with multiple units on each side and then they look at the boxes, how many figures do you get for how much?
Mums are thinking about the weekly food shop bill and that pair of Jimmy Choo's at the end of the month that hubby doesn't know is on the credit card yet… "Ummm, I think we'll take the space game thank you."
Of course GW are not foolish, the board members know Fantasy has been sick as a pig for a while now and it needs more than a revamp at 8%, it needs a full overhaul. Bar a few tweaks over the years it's essentially the same game designed in the very early 90's for 4th edition.
It's clearly not working and all the indicators are there to tell us it's not going to work until it is changed.
Warhammer skirmish?
Brilliant.
It gives the fantasy aspect of GW a chance to compete on a level playing field with 40K in a well priced self contained box set. Father and son can play it in a couple of hours at the dining room table and then son can teach it to his little buddies on the weekend. The budget can stretch to augmenting the model count to keep the boys interested. Job done.
In the meantime GW can flesh out all the army books for 8th edition and win the hearts and minds of elements of the disgruntled older members of the fraternity, and in the meantime, get to work feverishly on WFB 10th edition with an ALL NEW ruleset. Modernised and maximised for excellent quick gameplay. Reasonable levels of items and magic. Skirmishers that don't reinvent the wheel. Cannons that don't come with laser sighting, GPS and night vision et al the list goes on and on…


It will be the game that brings back the grumpy old grognards and joins them with the bubbly fan bois and we can all be happy little peas in a pod once again. 2015 is looking very positive.
Originally Posted by Harry
If Autumn Leaves is correct about the Skirmish thing ...This is the only thing that makes sense to me.
The only reason we are expecting a new edition of Warhammer fantasy Battle is because that is what we have had every few years.


BUT I remember having a conversation with Jervis and Gav .... so this is gong back a few years ... where they stated that they wanted to get Warhammer to the point that it did not need updating/re-writing and they wanted to get all the army books completed in such a way that they were robust enough to survive changes to the rules so they did not need to keep re-writing them. The reason for doing this was to allow them to look at more interesting things to develop aspects of Warhammer they did not have time to do. We discussed the obvious things like Skirmish, Siege, but also fighting on boats, in tunnels/underground, exploring new areas of the map, etc.


Alright this was a few editions and many years ago but what if? What if they feel they have reached that point with 8th. Where a new edition isn't going to change very much. Where every army has a book. What if they decide NOT to do a new edition but stick with Warhammer 8th as it is ... consider this the finished product for a while. .... What would they explore next?


We already have "Storm of Magic" for 'Big magic, Big Monster' games.


Maybe they would look next at Skirmish? (Autumn Leaves seems convinced).


So no new BRB ... as rumoured. But a new starter set ... as rumoured.
Not needing full army books but where all the armies could be combined in less books ... as rumoured. Would certainly be the way to present warband options.


Mmmm.


I was still left with some of the other stuff I had heard about the timeline advancing and multiple books. (Will it be two, three or four books?)
A recent conversation prompted a new line of thought ....
and started to make a different kind of sense to me.


What if this was nothing to to with the next edition .... but a "what would they explore next?"
What if they decided to explore different area of the world or different periods of history? Source books for playing warhammer in different times and places.
Same game ... same rules set just changing the setting a bit ... bit like the Lustria stuff.


An excuse to explore some new special rules, introduce some new characters, new monsters, exploring some undiscovered corner of the world or some undescribed period of history ... currently little more than a dot on the map or a story in an army book. A chance to undertake some new modelling projects, sculpt some new minis.
One book might be 500 years ahead, one 500 years the past (or exploring some key point in recent history). One might be based in an area of the world which has not been detailed yet. (Like the Lustrian stuff).


This started to make some sort of sense to me ... but it was late at night.


What if? What if you a games Developer for Warhammer fantasy? What if you were told you didn't need to write an new edition or rewrite an army book? Where would you go next? What aspect of Warhammer would you like to explore?
My guesswork here almost describing 'bubbles'




Originally Posted by Harry
I don't think they are trying to destroy it.
I suspect they will be trying their hardest to breath new life into it.
We are not seeing the end times for Warhammer just yet.

Zu den Fraktionen, Harry postet - mal wieder etwas kryptisch in seinem Stil - seine Gedanken dazu. Kern: Es könnte sich dabei um neue und durchaus interessante Völker handeln, die teils vor längerer Zeit in Gerüchten aufgetaucht sind

My final thought before I go paint something .... it is everybody's assumption that the rumoured 'six' will ALL be familiar.
that most stuff will be saved and crammed into one 'faction' or another.

The only two I am certain of is Humanity and Chaos.
You have to retain humanity to have some connection with the game. (But I don't think these will be familiar as the either Bretonnians or Empire 500 years on).
Chaos is as GW as .... square bases for fantasy

Also ... they look set to win!

After that I wouldn't bet on anything.
I think Skaven stand the best shout. Rats seem to do well after a bit of death and destruction and they are also a GW creation. BUT they were introduced as Chaos Ratmen .... so they might get rolled into Chaos?
I think some sort of Undead must be in there ... it's not like they will be short of dead bodies after the dust settles on the End Times. Will they be familiar as either VC or TK? Can't see why they would.
Everything else (If for no other reason that it is too generic and un protected) seems to be set to be knocked back into the stone age or into the history books. High Elves sink? Dwarves disappear under the mountains? Elves return to tree hugging in the deep woods. Lizardmen leave the planet. Who's going to left who can put up a fight? ... and we still have slots to fill.

I wouldn't bet against Fishmen Ichthyosapiens ... no one is fighting in the oceans ... or Insect men ... insects survive everything ...or some sort of Sky living birdmen/angels type thing as no one is fighting in the air especially either.

There was rumour about a new race for Warhammer ages ago. I don't remember the details but their were two parts to it. 1) they needed to find the Fantasy equivalent of SM and 2) They had always been here, part of the warhammer world just not visible.

So a race that lived underground and stayed out of everyones way, (Bit like the Skaven ... assumed not to exist by most normal folk) under the sea or in the sky and had stayed out of everyones way?

Don't know if there was anything in it, can't even remember where I heard it ... but I honestly would NOT be surprised to see a new (protectable) race. (or two) ... Everything else is up in the air ... why not the warhammer races?!

Just to mess up everyones nice easy six factions.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...ly-Different&p=7354174&viewfull=1#post7354174


Darnok hat dazu einen interessanten Hinweis in den bereits erschienen Büchern gefunden

Re: Warhammer - And Now For Something Completely Different

Originally Posted by Harry
There was rumour about a new race for Warhammer ages ago. I don't remember the details but their were two parts to it. 1) they needed to find the Fantasy equivalent of SM and 2) They had always been here, part of the warhammer world just not visible.

The pre-undead Morghasts fit that bill: the Hammurai, demigods sent by Ptra God of Light, massive winged creatures in arcane armour with powerful weapons. Yup, already established during the ET books, just needs some magic mumbo-jumbo to bring the "living versions" back in numbers.

[...] Die Modelle sind mit dem Nagash Buch erschienen (in untoter Form) und etwas kleiner als der Warhammer Riese.

 

[Warmaster]

Falls Ihr es noch nicht gelesen habt: Fasten your seatbelts!

Via BolS

Warhammer 9th Explodes! 1-7-2015

Here are the full rumors, pay attention to the most accurate of these - Warseer's Darnok and Harry:

via Darnok: 1-6-2015


If you like Warhammer, I suggest you better take a seat.

Over the last few months I got a few glimpses on what WHF could change to in the very near future. [...]



via Harry: 1-6-2015


About six months .... but i first heard about ita good six months before I posted that.
Sometimes it is not all that cryptic .....

I tried to find some of my old posts about this. i have posted about this 6 months, 12 months and 18 months ago. But many of my recent posts have been deleted.???

In the end I had to go find some of what I had said on BOLS Forum where Big red had quoted me from here. (Thanks Red)

OK, here's one for you .....

Chaos Vs "Humans".

Quote Originally Posted by Tozudos a Dieces:
I've just read The fall of Altdorf.

OMG.

At least fluff-wise, nothing's gonna be again the same. It all will change. All.

Harry: You are not wrong there fella. That is what I have been saying.

Quote Originally Posted by Ludaman:
Awesome! Thanks Harry! I may be way off, but that sounds like the contents of a new starter Box to me.

Harry: We have been playing this game together for too many years.


Big Red: So first up, Harry called the End Times and Glottkin by name over 6 months out. So when he says something, you should take it as much more serious than garden variety rumors.

This insinuation of new boxed sets and unified "Human" factions all feeds back into Harry's earlier speculation on GW utterly shattering the game with the End Times series, to produce a very different environment and game on the other side of the series.

After months of absence, the BEST rumormonger out there returns to talk about the End Times of Warhammer Fantasy:

Harry's BACK from the wilderness!


Harry: You may remember last year I was being very vague about some 'radical changes' in a thread about 9th edition.

Back at the start of the year, in one of my first posts of the new year I said this:

I don't think they are trying to destroy it.
I suspect they will be trying their hardest to breath new life into it.
We are not seeing the "End times" for Warhammer just yet.

Did you see what I did there?
The clues are always there fellas.

So I first heard about all this last autumn?
I was told 2014 would be "Year zero" for Warhammer.

Had no idea what that meant at first but if you Google your way to the wikipedia you get this:

The term Year Zero, applied to the takeover of Cambodia in April 1975 by the Khmer Rouge, is an analogy to the Year One of the French Revolutionary Calendar. During the French Revolution, after the abolition of the French monarchy (September 20, 1792), the National Convention instituted a new calendar and declared the beginning of the Year I. The Khmer Rouge takeover of Phnom Penh was rapidly followed by a series of drastic revolutionary de-industrialization policies resulting in a death toll that vastly exceeded that of the French Reign of Terror.

The idea behind Year Zero is that all culture and traditions within a society must be completely destroyed or discarded and a new revolutionary culture must replace it, starting from scratch. All history of a nation or people before Year Zero is deemed largely irrelevant, as it will (as an ideal) be purged and replaced from the ground up.

It was made clear to me that this was what we were talking about for warhammer.
Everything that existed being completely destroyed (or discarded) and something new replacing it from scratch ... purged and replaced from the ground up.

I hinted in various posts that they would be getting rid of the existing timeline, the existing map, etc. (In an effort to soften the blow. )

I am going to get this a bit wrong because I honestly can't remember where I heard it but to confirm the three book rumour .... I did hear the "End times" were going to be spread over three books.

Nagash was the first, followed by Malekith followed by Glotkin

Good luck with that!


...You have to ask yourself .... What will remain of the world as we know it when it has been ravaged in turn by the Undead, the Dark Elves, Skaven, and Chaos?


...Whatever 9th is it will be set in the grimmest, darkest post apocalyptic Warhammer fantasy world yet.

You think I haven't had all the same thoughts being voiced on here?

I can't see them throwing out everything they have done either ... but the only way to own the IP is to loose all the generic Fantasy that other companies can copy ... normal Dwarves, Elves and sure as heck you have to get rid of the historical based human armies ... or you can go build an Empire or Bretonnian army from anyone's miniatures.
I can't see them getting rid of any armies either ... but they can not continue to support all of them so some of them have to go or some get mashed together.
I can't see them wanting to reduce the number of minis you need .... but if it costs too much to complete an army people don't even start an army ...so is it better to sell some minis for a scaled down game or no minis? Is it better to ramp up the Lords and monsters allowance and keep on selling the big kits so an army is 'more tanks and less infantry' and thus less minis and easier to paint .... or sell no minis.
Simple fact is so many people have so many armies now unless they do something drastic with the look of the armies no-one is buying enough minis. The only way to force folks to buy new stuff is if we cannot use our current stuff. Some folks may refuse to buy the new stuff on principal ..... what do they care? They were not buying the stuff anyway as they already had their army. Imagine how badly Fantasy must be selling compared to 40K if anyone even thought about knocking it on the head for even a moment .... they must be thinking .... it can't make things any worse!!! What have we got to loose??? But if they are doing this why even bother completing 8th edition? Why do all the books?

I have been around and around with this in my head ..... the only thing that makes any sense to me at the end of the day is that 8th edition is complete enough and robust enough to endure a bit longer and 9th edition will not be a complete new edition of the rules .... but an alternative background and rules with which to play post End times battles but you still need the core rules to play A bit like all the stuff in Strom of Magic was an add on to the existing rules. The core rules and books will still exist for those that want to remain stuck in the timeline but if you want to be down with the cool kids you really need to buy the new post End Times stuff.

I don't know what else I can add to this.
I don't have all the answers.

But for what its worth .... I think it will be round bases.
First said that on here more than 18 months ago .... when someone guessed close to the mark talking about WFB becoming a skirmish game.


And finally, commenters over at Faeit212 chime in:


Let me give you some confirmation:
The setting is being completely overhauled - true.
The concept of a huge chunks of the world in a sea similar to the warp from 40k - true.
Faction reduction to 6 - true


As for how it interacts with the current rules.
9th edition takes place after the sundering that brought about from the End Times.

So for the purposes of compatibility, you can use your 8th edition hardback book, representing a section of the culture that hasn't been horrifically changed by the End Times (Recognizing it will have the same drawbacks of using a dated book that are experienced elsewhere).

You can use End Times rules/concepts, representing a section that is still being torn apart.

You can use the new, post-end times rules to represent what is "current."


All the books (again, with the caveat that older books may not be optimal for the new core rules [but truthfully the core rules aren't changing wildly, like 5th to 6th edition 40k, really more of a tidied up 8th edition with a brand new setting]) are designed to be compatible.

Support will be towards the new book, new setting, however, with End Times being in the past. Viable, but not current.

Expect armies to have fewer units in their core books, which will be heavily focused on the fluff for where they are now, what they've been doing in the centuries immediately following the sundering. This will create a more "balanced" pool as they will be rapidly produced and released (consider a scale even somewhat faster than what we've had for 40k these past few years).


These will then be expanded on with supplements, not intended as money-grabs (as I am sure they will be received by the majority of your readers), but more as guided hands to acknowledge deficiencies in books, or even "global meta" changes. The first time that Games Workshop will be openly acknowledging things that need changes.

These units will typically get white dwarf rules treatments heralding the release in hardback of all of the new units from the previous month(s), for a new setting expansion, which will pit several of the races together (representing a collision).

As these expansions are not permanent in the world, so too will these models not be. They are intended to only get one template injection mold life-run, the same as the books will be printed only once in hardback, then delayed paperback.

They will of course remain legal throughout all of 9th, they will just be more limited eventually, the same as the end time models will not be available forever, the same as XYZ model is no longer available (just with a shorter life span than previous experienced). I mean... you can't get albion models anymore either, but that campaign was before people whined on the internet, so I guess that's why no one's complaining.

This will allow for more new models, as contrary to common belief, the storage and rejuvenation of these templates takes a lot of resources which can be instead dedicated to new ones.


On the topic of round bases. The latest version I saw used round bases, but units had the option of ranking up to receive the typical bonuses. To rank up using round bases, it is intended to use new movement trays which have circular cuts to hold the bases of the appropriate size.

Nothing stops you from (and in many ways you are encouraged to) maintain unit formation the entire game. But you don't have to. Note that throughout all of Warhammer Fantasy, changing width/depth was an option, it's just rarely seen.

So to summarize - you can skirmish, but it's in your interests to rank up for different reasons, like shield walling before a charge for instance. You can alternatively always hold a formation and move the way we're all used to.

----

This will be a very big change. It is not because GW doesn't care about its old players and just wants to attract new ones. It is not to fill a void that will come from the fading of Lord of the Rings (which will remain in stores and be supported for a long time due to the agreement with New Line Cinemas).

It is just a very fresh look at a game that hasn't changed dramatically in how it's played since the dawn of the game and company. It will give everyone the opportunity and hopefully inspiration to do something new, but without invalidating everything from the past. It is opening room for creativity, not closing doors.


Yes, army books will eventually feel too out of date to play, but that's the same with any new edition. And new Army Books will typically allow people to recreate what they're "used to" it just might not be the most effective thing they could do with their new book.

The new faction are basically the opposite of warriors of chaos, but good the way chaos marines are the opposite of space marines but evil (in terms of broad tropes, I really hope this doesn't spawn some kind of debate about the morality of space marines).

Lastly, nothing stops you from just playing 8th, and ignoring 9th the same way some people ignore End Times. Just understand that unlike Storm of Chaos which was post-production looked at as an "alternate timeline" where the clock was turned back to right before it took place for the purposes of the setting, the End Times are real, and 9th will begin where it left off.


And Earlybird chimes in:


from the horse mouth

factions :

1) Chaos : Demons + Beasts + Mortals
2) Elves
3) Empire
4) Undead
5) Orcs and Goblins
6) Skavens

Lizards are gone in space.
Dwarves survivors join the empire with the ogres.

1) Chaos core : Warriors of chaos/chariot/Hounds
Demons figs will be kept as they are usable in 40k
Bye bye marauders, ungors, centigors, razorgor etc

2) Elves core : spearmen/archers/cavalry on horse
No more xbows
the 3 elves will blend in one faction
dark elves monsters are gone : cold ones, hydra

3) Empire core: Hallberds/Handgun/Canon
Some dwarves survivors and ogres are included
Imperial and bretonnian knights are merged

4) Undead core : Skeletons/Ghouls/Spirit host
bye bye bone giant, scorpion sphinx, chariots and everything too much egyptian

5) Orcs and goblins core : Goblins/Orcs/Black orcs
no real change for them

6) Skaven core : Clanrats/Plague rats/Rat ogres
no real change for them too

Hört sich interessant an.

cya

Auf Faeit gibt es was neues zu dem Thema.
http://natfka.blogspot.de/2015/01/9th-edition-what-is-really-going-on.html

We have had some dramatic changes revealed about the new edition of Warhammer Fantasy coming this summer, and the reactions extremely varied as well.


When the Endtimes first came out, it was one of those books that caused a lot of discord until we finally started delving into it. From all accounts, its generally loved by a large percentage of players. I think 9th Edition Fantasy will be the same. It seems that a lot of design and effort were put into this coming edition and the books that lead to it.

Call me an optimist if you want, but lets look at what was said by our source here on this site. Btw, he only comes here to help the community out and clarify rumors before they get out of hand and go in far out directions. So I trust what he has to say over any of the rumored bits of information from elsewhere. Here are a few of his comments

People aren't reading that their 8th edition books aren't going away.
Nothing is being taken away. Certain races just aren't getting more added.
In fact, no faction is really getting anything added since everything will be new .
You can play 8th, using the 8th core book.
You can play 9th, using your 8th army book (though you will need to change your bases if you want to completely adopt the new format, even using your 8th army book).

I cant remember ever hearing this before that your books will be compatible into the next edition before. It seems the goal of 9th edition is to inject it with the same excitement the Endtimes has brought forth. However, if you still want to play with the background and armies that you did before, you can, and its supported in not only the background of what is going on in the timeline, but in the way armies are released and handled. Nothing is getting removed.

So for the purposes of compatibility, you can use your 8th edition hardback book, representing a section of the culture that hasn't been horrifically changed by the End Times (Recognizing it will have the same drawbacks of using a dated book that are experienced elsewhere).
You can use End Times rules/concepts, representing a section that is still being torn apart.
You can use the new, post-end times rules to represent what is "current."
All the books are designed to be compatible.

The third set of rumors that came from the Bols compilation, with earlybird discussing factions for 9th edition, is most likely his speculation. A lot of people have assumed that this means that Lizardmen are going away. Only according to earlybird. No army is getting squatted in 9th edition. In fact no faction is really getting a big update at all. According to rumors there is still one Endtimes book ahead of us, and that will give us a lot of information as to what is going on with Lizardmen.

Instead from what we were told the game will get new models and expansions to armies through supplements. These will be short-mid term releases only, in order to keep the model lines fresh, and growing. I see this as a good thing, as it allows for Warhammer Fantasy to grow beyond just the armybooks limitations. We have seen a trend towards these kinds of releases in 40k, with campaigns and mini-dexes.

These will then be expanded on with supplements, not intended as money-grabs, but more as guided hands to acknowledge deficiencies in books, or even "global meta" changes. The first time that Games Workshop will be openly acknowledging things that need changes.
These units will typically get white dwarf rules treatments heralding the release in hardback of all of the new units from the previous month(s), for a new setting expansion, which will pit several of the races together (representing a collision).
As these expansions are not permanent in the world, so too will these models not be. They are intended to only get one template injection mold life-run, the same as the books will be printed only once in hardback, then delayed paperback.

Overall I have only touched on what was said, and I am often the first to panic when I hear of changes coming, often even before the articles go live. Its sometimes why you don't see a lot of my initial comments to new rumors. I tend to do some breathing, a little kata, settle down, and then finally come back to it. twice in the history of the site I have walked away and had to take a full day to settle.

I do think though, that this particular set of changes, with the explanation that we were given here on this site, not only works, but seems to take into account that many players dont want to change their armies around (and wont have to). This is the most assurance we have had with big changes looming in the near future. It takes into account players that have been in the hobby a long time and the new ones that are just coming in.

Even though it seems that there is a lot of change here, (and there is in concept), we have been told that the rules changes will be minor, and that changes to the armybooks will also not be big overhauls. I think in the end this will effect a majority of players much less than how it first appears.

It is just a very fresh look at a game that hasn't changed dramatically in how it's played since the dawn of the game and company. It will give everyone the opportunity and hopefully inspiration to do something new, but without invalidating everything from the past. It is opening room for creativity, not closing doors.

My goal with this editorial is not to invalidate anyone's comments, or start heated arguments, after all I understand the fear people are having. I wanted to focus readers more on what we were told here on this site more than what the others are saying, simply because I know the value of the source that chimed in to help us get a grasp on what is coming.

I dont normally post this kind of "non rumor" parts of conversations behind the scenes. This was what was said leading into the article yesterday in response to the rumors from Darnok on Warseer.

As you know I read your site, at least once a week and for the past several months nothing you have posted has been so off base that it was believed to be worth correcting to avoid problems.
Your post on 9th edition is however an outlier. You have some information correct and some not so much.

Personally I look forward to seeing what lies ahead for Warhammer Fantasy in the new edition.

 

[Warmaster]

Hier wird das Schicksal der Echsenmenschen recht ausführlich beschrieben:
http://warhammer-board.de/end-times...-forum/völkerforen-f21/t32920-f31/index2.html

(Der Post vom 17.01 um 20:03Uhr)

 

[Warmaster]

Einige neue Gerüchte, die 9. WFB Edition wird laut Darnok nicht im Mai kommen. Sondern etwas anderes für WFB oder/und 40k.

Originally Posted by Darnok
[9th will be released] ... Around July.

Originally Posted by Birdy Prime
'9th' [or] whatever is next for fantasy [...] coming 2015 in the summer.

Originally Posted by MiyamatoMusashi, quoting CDO
Something very big will happen in May. This is certain. A couple of times every year the GW stores get a 'yellow date'. The shop may only be closed is the manager personally calls GW HQ and comes with a very good argument. These dates are for seriously major releases and employees can't really get the day off. In May there is a 'red date'. That means the store can be closed for no reason what so ever. And employees can't get that day off. So it most be something really huge. They don't know what however. But my mate at GW has only tried very few 'red dates'. First End Times was yellow.

Bezüglich der 9. Edition hat Darnok dann noch etwas zur neuen WFB Menschen-Fraktion gepostet:

Originally Posted by Azazyll
So we're starting to get these not-spacemarines with this book?

Nope, they're in whatever 9th edition will be, not before. Around July.

Link: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...p-Discussion&p=7381172&viewfull=1#post7381172

 

[Warmaster]

Gerade mal bei Warseer gesehen, angeblich die künftige "Was kriegt der Laden ins Angebot" Liste

Greenskin:

Goblin Shaman
Night Goblin Fanatics
Night Goblin Regiment
Savage Orc Warboss
Savage Orcs
Black Orcs
River Troll
Arachnarok Spider

Undead Legion:

Nagash
Tomb Banshee
Necromancer
Wight King
Crypt Ghouls
Vampire Counts Skeleton Warriors
Spirit Hosts
Zombies
Black Knights/Hexwraiths
Grave Guards
Crypt Horrors/Vargheists
Tomb Kings Skeleton Warriors
Tomb Kings Skeleton Horsemen
Necropolis Knights/Sepulchral Stalkers

The rest will become direct only.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?406712-Stocklist-for-9th-Warhammer

Kann Unfug sein. Kann ein Indiz sein das einiges wegfällt sobald die Nuttingham Lager für den MO only Kram leer sind.

-----Red Dox

 

[Warmaster]

Starterset im Mai?

(Arthurius11 - Total rumors: (13 TRUE) / (1 FALSE) / (1 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE) im DakkaDakka Rumor Tracker)

Originally Posted by Arthurius11 - Warseer

As has been said by Harry previously there is a fantasy box set / starter set coming, I don't know release dates but from what I know it is very likely that it should be around May sometime. Will be interesting times ahead indeed.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...elves-in-may&p=7413173&viewfull=1#post7413173

 

[Warmaster]

[...]

In other News, Starterbox

Back to you from my slumber to inform you of something that has come to me from very reliable sources. You know that if you see no update Stubborn to Dieces is because we have a bomb.

Contents of the box ninth edition. April 24 in pre-ordering. All minis are new and bring the rules into and round bases.

-Caos: Two characters, one exclusive; five miniatures cavalry, ten warriors of Chaos, Chaos demons d5, some kind of monster Chaos.

-Light: Two characters 10 holy warriors 10 warriors of the new faction, five holy knights on horseback, dwarf war machine.

In light faction minis grail knights appear.

This is the information that we can bring you. Keep you informed.

http://tozudosadieces.blogspot.com.es/2015/04/bomba-contenido-de-la-caja-de-novena.html
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...elves-in-may&p=7417333&viewfull=1#post7417333

Mit Zwergen KM, Gralsristtern und "menschlicher" Dosen Infanterie dann wohl der Combo AB Schwachsinn der ja schon gefürchtet und angedroht wurde. Die Truppgrößen dann natürlich passend zum Rundbase Skirmish.

------Red Dox

 

[Warmaster]

WFB Starterset Gerüchte - Release im April/Mai 2015

Mal was von Harry,

My money is on Sigmar coming back ..... with his warriors.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...p-Discussion-(Reloaded)&p=7419239#post7419239

To add to my Chaos v's Human rumour for the box set ... I can be a bit more specific as we are a bit closer now. I heard the Chaos is Khorne and the humans are Sigmarines... I mean Holy warriors/warriors of sigmar..whatever. (EDIT: So the contents posted above sounds about right)

Contents very similar to the recent 40K boxes ... nothing like the big box games of the past. Tiny rulebook/pamphlet. ... heard this from various different sources over a period of months ... even before the new look 40K boxes appeared. so pretty sure that is right.

I got the impression the story line is playing out the final battles of the Endtimes.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...p-Discussion-(Reloaded)&p=7419103#post7419103

Q:Wait, what? This is not the 9:th ed starter then. We would need much more than a tiny rulebook for that.

Also, what are they thinking with the story. The End Times have ended how on earth do they think that playing out some minor battles of a story that is already over would capture anyone's imagination

Yeah I realize that every lotr game is exactly this but the End Times fluff is not exactly lotr quality

Also, if the Sigmarines turn up here it is going to cause a major fluff discrepancy as they are not mentioned in the actual Archaon book which is supposed to describe the final cataclysmic battles. Are we expected to believe that these Sigmarines actually where present during the End times but for some reason decided to not take part in any major events.

A: You are going to have to forgive me fellas because it has been a while now and I honestly can not remember everything I heard but essentially ... Yes. I think that they do turn up at the eleventh hour, when all seems lost ..... blah, blah ....

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...n-(Reloaded)&p=7419235&viewfull=1#post7419235
Also behalten sie Endtimes, aber schreiben die Geschichte um? o_0
Ich meine selbst wenn die ganze neue Edition zum Ende der Endtimes spielt, haben wir ja mit Endtimes dennoch das Problem das vor Archaon schon die ganze Welt im Arsch war durch Unlogik. Da bringts dann auch nichts wenn man erst zu ende Thaqnquol oder Mitte Archaon den Faden wieder aufnimmt...
Ach das wird ein fest mit der 9ten Edi. Der Shitstorm wird episch.

Ansonsten gibts im ersten Postd es Topics nochmal die Highlights gesammelt. Für alle, die keine Lust haben 2 Seiten Kommentare auf Warsser zu lesen
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...mer-9th-Edition-Roundup-Discussion-(Reloaded)

-----Red Dox

 

[Warmaster]

Warhammer Fantasy Starterbox / Rundbases

[...]Natfka
[...] http://natfka.blogspot.de/2015/04/round-bases-in-fantasy-official-gw.html

Haben wir noch ein Gerücht?

via Sad Panda on Dakka Dakka:
"As mentioned elsewhere, this summer on the 40K-side of things is mostly about the folks from Mars (but no (global) campaign), as well as a few 1-week-releases (think Necrons). And of course, the new Fantasy kicking off Q3."

Bramgaunt - Warseer Forum

I've heard that the game, skirmisher, 9 light edition, whatever, will be called 'The End Times', as it takes part during them. It will focus around the stories told in the 5 books and mostly depict your hero(es) and a small band, fighting bravely in the middle of a huge conflict, a moment in a much larger battle surrounding them. That's why a ton of random stuff can happen during the game, including rogue fireballs, meteors, cannon shots, and so on, hitting units at random. The list of random events changes with the factions fielded. So, if you have dwarves, elves and chaos present on the battlefield, you'd first determine which factions table is consulted (randomly) and then what exactly happens.

I so hope that my source is pulling my leg with this one, but I wanted to share it anyway. I also do hope it's all bull.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...n-(Reloaded)&p=7420964&viewfull=1#post7420964

Alles was jetzt kommt, aus der Warsser compilation.
http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...mer-9th-Edition-Roundup-Discussion-(Reloaded)

Originally Posted by A Friend
And about the starter... Dwarves and [knights with] the new empire. It [seems] that the main book [merges] some races, but whit small books like astra miliarum and militarum tempestus, u can make a single army of dwarves for example.

Originally Posted by A Friend
I only know that dwarves and bretonnians are merged whit the new empire. But im [confused] about undead, cause [the] defenders of [Mousillon] and sylvania seems to be loyal to the new empire.

Pfff, warum denn verwirrt? Vlad von Carstein ist doch jetzt Kurfürst des Imperium und Nagash Mitglied im Club der magischen Superfreunde. Solang wir uns halt im "bekannten" Endtimes bewegen...

Originally Posted by A Friend
Square for units. Round for characters, warmachines, solos and atachments.

Originally Posted by A Friend Powerfull characters, whit dataslates and personal armys. They put some powers and abilities to other units. (Warmahordes style) Simple magic. No more points per mini. Points for unit. Some units are a single mini. Like warmahordes solos. Lots of minis whit 2 or 3 wounds.

Originally Posted by A Friend
Old characters: Tiryon, alarielle and Malekith are alive or some kind of live! Settra, Nagash, Guilles, Aborash, glott bros and Belakor too. And Archaon. He is the new good guy.

 

[Warmaster]

Warhammer Fantasy Starterbox / Rundbases

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?407604-Warhammer-9th-Edition-Roundup-Discussion-(Reloaded)&p=7439651#post7439651

Just coming back from my local store following some strange message on facebook and inviting us to pass by .

9th edition will be released on saturday the 13th of june .

My local store is organising on friday the 12th a warhammer tournament beginning at 8.00pm for thoses who will have reserved their 9th edition rule book ( If I correctly understand there will be 2 weeks of preorder )

At 0.00 , He will give to players their books .

Il will be a 8th edition tournament but the local manager will release a summary of the changes if they are not to numerous in order to play in 9th edition . If it changes too much , he says that it will be a 8th edition one ^^

Considering the policy of games workshop , I don't think that will be some local initiative , so other people might have the same level of information to confirm .

 

[Warmaster]

Warhammer Fantasy 9. Edition - Bezug zum letzten Post

GW Lille, die als eine von zwei Quellen für einen möglichen Warhammer Fantasy 9. Edition-Release am 13. Juni genannt wurden, haben folgendes ergänzt. Übersetzung eines Warseer Users

Warseer Forum

Hum, sorry guys, but check the Facebook page of GW Lille:

Bonjour tout le monde,Afin de faire taire toutes rumeurs délirantes relayées sur des forums , le teaser qui a été retiré de la page Facebook annonçait le désir d'organiser un tournoi Warhammer Battle cet été de type Throne of Skull basé sur les règles de tempêtes de magie d’où la référence aux changements de règles... et rien de plus. (merci à nos amis anglophone qui trouve que le teaser déchire, il revient bientôt sur la page de l'événement)
Histoire de prendre de l'avance, non le fait d'organiser un tournoi ne signifie pas que nous soyons au fait de la date de sortie de la prochaine version de Warhammer Battle ni de son contenu.
...

Nous aimons et respectons les trois univers que nous proposons en égale mesure et nous attendons avec impatience les prochaines sorties tout comme vous. Merci de respecter notre travail et notre engagement plutôt que de relayer de fausses informations.

Which gives the following translation (roughly, I don't have much time):

" Hello everyone,
In order to make silent all crazy rumors appeared on forums, the teaser that has been removed from our Facebook page just announced our desire to organise a WFB tournament from the Throne of Skull type, based upon the rules of Storm of Magic, hence the reference to the changes in the rules... and nothing more. (Thanks to our English speaking friends, who find the teaser rocks, it will soon come back on the event page).

In prevision of further questions, no, organising a tournament does not mean we know the release date of the next WFB edition, nor its content.

...

We love and respect equally the three universes we propose, et are waiting impatiently for future releases, just like you. Thank you to respect ou work and commitment rather than relaying wrong informations."

This could hardly be clearer...

By the way, before posting such a "teaser" on the forum, keep in mind that, despite the fact GW has a VERY bad translation quality these days (at least, in French), they would never make so many ortograph and grammar errors in a single announcement (the French version contains some big ones). (PS in French: Chers amis de GW Lille, ce serait gentil de faire un petit effort d'orthographe la prochaine fois A bon entendeur, salut!)

Trotz der anderen Quelle, die sich auch auf die Veranstaltung im GW Lille bezog und noch konkreter den Release an dem Termin nannte, hier ein Dementi vom Shop.

 

[Warmaster]

Warhammer Fantasy 9. Edition Gerüchte

BOLS

MarcusBeli translated a number of entries removed from the Pacific Ocean:
Basically, it says that it is a rumor, we did not believe it. More or less, a translation.

9th edition rules will not be the big leap was the passage of 7th-8th.
There will be 3 versions of warhammer. The era of Sigmar , recommended to play 500-1500 points and will be a skirmish style game. The era of steel , will be warhammer as we played the last five years. The end of time , magic and 50% to sack commanders and heroes (and know of undeath).
Power dice are based 2d6 (4d6 ET) to 2000 points and another die for every 1000 points, so that playing at 4000 points 4d6 winds of magic would throw (6d6 ET)
Many new spells, although all # 6 allow special salvations
New magical items. Some leave, new ones arrive.
The measure of 8th remain
Regeneration works like a hydra of war. Minis dead back with a single wound to 4+ (I think that carriers just won Warhammer)
Lances make impact hits
+1 Strength spears against mounted units
Always attack first change. Charging units obtained ASP against the charging unit.
Fear as now, but checks are ld -1, -2 terror is ld (battle standards remain unbalanced)
Lethal blow does 1d3 wounds
Death Strike continues heroic killing all
Characters riding monsters have combined profile (which I assume is because the guns were still yelling at them “10 um in the back!”)
Impassivity can be lost with a single row of 5 on the sidewall. Units can not be unmoved against anything that might make thunderous slam.
2d6 scenarios and a table of far greater land
The minis lose half its load roll away if they pass spot (I think it is a simplification of the rules of land 7th) but dangerous ground remains in effect (1s to hurt the minis that make checking)
Building new rules, although still look bad
Combat resolution – numerical superiority again
Table quadrants have also returns.



We’ll have to wait to see if the rumors are verified at the moment I do not excite me much !!!
Last and not least I have a friend in Nottingham who left rods with no man …. no, this is serious. I said my confidence shopkeeper had informed him from the official store of GW Valencia will have two weekends red coming week.
Recall that for the purposes of red GW week is the usual way to warn shopkeepers GW of which will have a weekend with many sales due to a special event such as the launch of a special product.
Thus dependent they not know what is coming but if they have to prepare for that something big is about to arrive. Well, so red are scheduled one week for the month of May and another for June.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/05/wfb-9th-roundup-the-trinity-of-warhammer.html

 

[Warmaster]

Warhammer Fantasy - Armeebücher und weitere Gerüchte

Neue Fantasy-Gerüchte aus dem Dakka Forum von einem Namiel

I have on, Excellent authority, new info.

4 army books which I am assuming will be costly

Skirmish game for sure no news of a new system with blocks of infantry. no idea about how this game will function beyond it being skirmish

old fluff returns via gods like sigmar recreating the old world anew. GREAT NEWS. New kits, New characters, if the old character died in the end times he won't be coming back so pretty much everyone.

this is all I have but it's great stuff since it means new game, New story, New minis, all done WITHOUT invalidating the minis you already own. books will be more generalized so no more individual books but that doesn't stop anyone from playing just one faction.

THE MINIS WE OWN WILL NOT GO TO WASTE.

knowing where this is from I'm starting to work on my fantasy again.

Also round or square bases make no difference. Keep them square or switch won't change anything

Alpharius wrote:
I want to believe...

I am taking this one to the bank. knowing the source I am 99.9% the only reason it's not 100% is because it's not in front of me right now

Bottle wrote:
I'm looking forward to the skirmish game! Im hoping my Empire become even more wacky and grim dark too

New unit which will basically be good warriors if chaos. sigmars super troops. expect them to be pretty good infantry

Oh also units will have unit cards with all of there stats on them for the launch. all of that will be available online for FREE while new army books are coming out.

be naysayers but add this to the other rumors I posted.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/643158.page?userfilterid=76561

 

[Warmaster]

Warhammer Fantasy 9. Edition - GW setzt seine Armeen auf Rund- und Eckbases / Echsenmenschen

Auf dem Warhammer World Grand Opening waren Glottkin und die Maggoth Lords auf runden Bases zu sehen: http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_10492/gallery_79873_10492_1322.jpeg

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CFIE3P_W8AAq0DO.jpg

 

[WaaaghSchale]

Warhammer Fantasy Release nach den Space Marines

Darnok auf Warseer bestätigt einen Fantasyrelease nach den Space Marines:

Well, it will be right after the SM releases, so late June or early July. And quite a lot of stuff too, should be only WHF for a while.

There is a lot of WHF coming after the SM releases are done. Just not at the beginning of June.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showt...dition-Rumor-Discussion&p=7452286#post7452286

 

[WaaaghSchale]

Warhammer Fantasy 9. Edition Starter Box

Harry auf Warseer:

I can have a swing at that if you like.

I think it all kicks off with the box set I have hinted at for some time with Chaos V's humans. The human faction will be more than just Sigmar Knights ... it will have regular Humans in it and everyting and I think the Chaos in the box will be Khorne themed. This will be quickly followed by a bunch of other Human and chaos releases. I suspect after these have had their moment in the spotlight they will crack on with the next couple of armies ...

Arthurius11 auf Warseer:

As Harry said the human faction is not going to be just "sigmar knights". And the chaos is a mix of khorne models with warriors and demons and a pretty cool character model

Stammt beides schon vom 23.Mai. Muss wohl untergegangen seit, da der Gerüchtethread dazu in von den Gerüchten zu den Diskussionen geschoben wurde.

 

[WaaaghSchale]

Bretonen

Hastings auf Warseer:

I shall add what I know from a long while ago, not that it really brings anything to the discussion.

AFAIK Tomb Kings Bone Giant/Collossus thingy was completed around the time of the latest WE treeman, whether it got a mold made is unknown to me, brets is a much simpler answer, the last I heard was that they had no idea what to do with them at all, and AFAIK the only thing I ever heard about was a CAD image that was seen for a Hippogriff (so obviously a plastic kit) I do not think anything ever happened with this, I don't even know for sure it was for Brets (that was just assumption on my behalf) there was no rider reported to me just the mount, then everything went quiet..... I get the problem with Brets totally, I mean apart from adding maybe knights on foot and changing some of the existing options to plastic where would you go with them from their fluff, they don't really use war machines, they don't use monsters, they are solely human in appearance, it really limits what you can do to develop them, especially when compared to two other human(esque in the case of chaos) forces that pretty much have access to everything from technology to monsters and beyond, sadly I think Brets were always going to be the first casualty if any squatting was to be done.

 

[WaaaghSchale]

Warhammer Fantasy 9. Edition

Lord Dan auf Warseer:

New rumor. Source wishes to remain anonymous:

Hey Dan, don´t want my name associated with rumours since I don´t know how much GW actually check stuff on forums, but anyway to make a long story short, a guy at GW HQ phoned me today & we had a long conversation since he wants me to become a GW retailer. I told him I was unsure due to recent warhammer fantasy rumours & GW not letting the public know anything, so after a while I got the following things confirmed:

9:th edition is coming out this summer.

Round bases is a go, you will be able to play with Square bases, but after 9:th edition hits, Everything will be sold with round bases.

Everything will be able to skirmish, but many units will be able to rank up as well, GW will releasemovement trays made for this

Unbound will exist, as will bound lists, basically what he told me is that it´s what the public wants, however to avoid powergaming there will be scenarios which require you to hold objectives etc etc & units in an unbound army can´t hold an objective as long as an enemy is within x inches, while bound armies can. He said something about getting bonus points for killing the enemy commander as well, something unbound armies couldn´t get. So they will encourage both styles but in different ways.

He only confirmed one new faction, which was humans, he said it will basically be Empire + Bretonnia & some new troops. He was very clear about no army being squatted though.

 

[WaaaghSchale]

Release Date für Warhammer 9. Edition

anonymous sources on Faeit 212

New warhammer fantasy game is called Age of Sigmar.
Preorders for the box go up July 4th. Release on the 11th.

Arthurius11 auf Warseer

This name is correct, which was inferred to by Harry in one of his posts, which I also commented on at the time ��