[GW/WHF]Dunkelelfen Gerüchtethread

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Das könnten schon die Korsaren sein, die wir vorher schon gesehen haben...die Zauberin hätte Potential, da würde ich wegen der Bildqualität großzügig sein. Was die Hydra angeht - besser als die letzte, wenn ich mir auch nicht sicher bin, wo da die Beine sein sollen.
Die Echsenritter - hey, es sind keine Kühe mehr, dem Himmel sei Dank! Jetzt kann ich meine Streiwägen wenigstens mit richtigen Echsen ausstatten.
 
ich persönlich bin enttäuscht.

die echsenreiter reißen mich nicht vom hocker. von den echsen ganz zu schweigen. die sehen nicht wirklich wie die echsen aus, die hier schon vor einigen wochen zu sehen war...

die zauberin, geht in richtung der anderen elfen-zauberinnen und die hydra gefällt mir überhaupt gar nicht... sieht aus als hätte sie mit blähungen zu kämpfen...

überlege mir ernsthaft meine elfen-reihen durch modelle von gamezone zu erweitern...
 
Kommender WD Cover was wohl auch das Cover des neuen Dunkelelfen Armeebuchs sein wird:
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Das Cover finde ich schon mal richtig nice ... gefällt mir. Auch die neuen Miniaturen der Echsenritter, Korsaren und der Hydra gefallen mir sehr gut 🙂 - nur die Zauberin zu Fuß gefällt mir überhaupt nicht, aber die Elfenzauberer finde ich in letzter Zeit sowieso schrecklich mit ihrem rumgefliege und übertriebener Basegestaltung. Schade, aber es kann ja nicht immer alles Gold sein ... 😉
 
Hier mehr Gerüchte über das Regelwerk (Quelle Warseer)

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] So I got to read over the Dark Elf Book today, and God it is nice! Basically most of the rumors were wrong that I've seen at least.[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Lots of little bits from what I remember:[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Everyone gets Hatred, and Eternal Hatred against High Elves[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Lokir Felheart, the Corsair hero, get an extra attack per rank bonus
Kouran, acts as a unit champion and makes the Black Guard unbreakable
Tullaris, the Executioner champion, is a bit of a paper tiger, just make sure he strikes first, and you're almost guaranteed a dead Character
Malekith, is in but the Destroyer and Hand of Khaine are now one weapon, that takes away magic levels too
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]On the magic item side,
There are Hydras Teeth which can be used as a stand and shoot reaction, causing D6 S3 hits per tooth used, you get 5 to start with.
A nifty little Ward save that is the inverse of their strength. So, if you get hit by a strength 2 hit, roll equal or less than the strength to block the attack, but a 6 always fails. So for S6+ you have a 5- Ward Save
Web of Shadows is in
The Draich give +2 S on the charge, striking at initiative, and subsequently +1 S
Gifts of Khaine don't count against magic weapon allowance any more
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]For magic,
All the spells are back, plus one that creates extra power dice, but if you don't use those dice, you take wounds
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Executioners, do NOT auto wound, in fact they haven't really changed at all
Black Guard are Stubborn and Immune to Psychology
Witches are sick, and can really be bolstered by the Cauldron, which can move now, still can't be hurt and can give units with 18" a 5+ Ward amongst other things.
Corsairs can get hand bows, which count as an additional hand weapon in close combat, or shields, for a 3+ save
Repeater Crossbows and Bolt Throwers stay the same as they are
The Hydra is nasty now, along with the Manticore having Killing Blow
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This was just a quick glance over the book, I may have a more detailed summary later on in the week.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica] Wenn das mit den Henkern stimmt verlieren die Dunkelelfen ihre einzigste S:5 Einheit und haben damit eigendlich nur noch S:3 und 4 Einheiten was totaller mist ist.
Henker(1A) und Guarde(wohl 2A) S:4
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Hochelfen:
Phönix Guarde (1A mit S:4)
Schwertmeister (2A mit S:5)
Weise Löwen (1A mit S:6!)


[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Die Dunkelelfen werden immer mehr was men "Regen auf nen Panzer niederprasseln" nennt.
Eine menge Attacken die bei schwer gepanzerten Einheiten so gut wie nichts machen.
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[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Todesstoss für einen Manticore macht keinen Sinn weil warum sollte der das haben und ein Drache nicht? (ok ok es ist GW bin schon ruhig *g*)[/FONT]
 
Hier eine Ergänzung:
Alright, my first post was fair poorly written, I was just trying to get something up. Now then:

In addition to the inverse ward save, there's heavy armor with Regeneration, so you have the ability to make a 1+/inverse of strength/4+ Lord.

The Cauldron can confer the 5+ Ward to one unit within 18", my mistake on that, along with other abilities like ASF, I think. It also give a 4+ Ward to the crew of it, and you must randomize shooting between it, which is unkillable, and the crew, so they effectively have a 3+/4+ save.

With the Hydra's Teeth, you have 5 of them to spread throughout your army, if you take the magical item. You can spread them around, or stack them all in the same unit, you just get 5.

Mini-Assassins made the cut into the book, they'll be a great way of taking out Heralds in the Demon books.

As for those who don't like special characters, I'm sorry because this book has a lot of great Fluff and models for them, and rules wise, they really help out. Tularis (I think, the Executioner one) and Kouran are both paper-tigers, but really help out their respective units, but at a rather hefty points cost.

Lastly, for those who are skeptical, I'm sorry it can't be the way the wish list rumors were, but we all can't Always Strikes First... how else would those High Elves feel pretentious with out it?

Also, I'm reading through some of the shitstorm I've caused, and it seems that y'alls crossbows do get Armor Peircing, I thought they got that in the downloadable rules set a while back, sorry!
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Wenn das mit den Henkern stimmt verlieren die Dunkelelfen ihre einzigste S:5 Einheit und haben damit eigendlich nur noch S:3 und 4 Einheiten was totaller mist ist.
Henker(1A) und Guarde(wohl 2A) S:4
Naja, wer weiss, vielleicht bekommen sie ja S4 im Profil.
Ausserdem gäbe es noch genug andere S5+ Einheiten, nur halt keine Infanterie.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica]Todesstoss für einen Manticore macht keinen Sinn weil warum sollte der das haben und ein Drache nicht? (ok ok es ist GW bin schon ruhig *g*)[/FONT]
Weil er einen Aspekt des Khaine verköpert. Fände das sehr passend.
 
Auf Warseer wurde wieder ein neuer Satz Gerüchte gepostet:
I had a friendly chat with someone who spoke to Gav Thorpe while he was writing the final cut for the book.
I havent read it but we are both Dark Elf fans and he almost never tells me anything, so this being one of those rare times that he did say something I am pretty sure he was telling it as it is

Shades: getting BS 5, and access to additional Hand Weapons and Great Weapons

Black Guard move to special

Assassin is unit upgrade and gets cheaper (around the cost of the current Noble). The combination of skills and magic items now make them really nasty.

New Hag Hero choice that can take the Cauldron of Blood as an upgrade (like the Casket of Souls or the Anvil of Doom)

Beastmaster becomes upgrade for Hydra and moves away from Hero choices (not 100% sure on this one...)

Magic Banners are much improved, one of them giving ASF to the unit.

Harpies are core but do not count for minimum core, otherwise stay the same

Executioners stay the same

Hydra gets regeneration and various upgrade possibilities

All Dark elves get an increase in WS, so the basic warrior is WS5 and elite infantry is WS6 (not sure about this one either)

Apparently they want to make Dark Elves the most aggresive and professional elven soldiers, their constant warring making them better overall fighters on the invidual basis than other elves.
 
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