Och Gott.Seit die SM-Stuka die neuen Regeln hat,haben sich die Maßstäbe für "Zu hart" beträchtlich gewandelt.
Genau so ist es. Man soll gefälligst mal die StuKa entschärfen, bevor man an den PL rangeht. Ein PL geht schnell weg, in 1-2 Runden fällt der meißtens. Wenn nicht, macht der Gegner irgendwas falsch.Och Gott.Seit die SM-Stuka die neuen Regeln hat,haben sich die Maßstäbe für "Zu hart" beträchtlich gewandelt.
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Nicht, wenn er wirklich eine 0-1 Auswahl wird und/oder den Geisterblick erhält.Findet es denn niemand wieder übertrieben hart,d ass der Phantomlord seinen Wiederstand 8 behält?[/b]
Der P Lord hat nun seit 97 den W8 und kein Mensch regt sich darüber heute nocht auf.[/b]
yanked ruthlesslessly from a certain "Shadow Slayer" from 40konline:
http://www.40konline.com/mos/index.p...c=82933.29 80
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Quote😱k, so I now have had a handfull of friends (redshirts all) have all seen the trial Dex from a black shirt. Here is what was peiced together from many of them, Keep in mind I know alot of these things have been mentioned but I'm just calling them how I see them.
First, There is NO trait system for the eldar, but instead is alot of requirements in the individual units that determain its place in the entire list.
1: DireAvengers are a 1+ requirement of the list unless you use nothing but jetbikes in the troops slots.
2: Striking Scorpoins, Wraithguard, and selected other Aspect warriors (Those two are the only ones my friends could recall.) are elites choices by defalt. BUT, they become troop choices if you feild them in 10 man squads, and if you do not include an exarch in the Aspect squads. Otherwise they remain elites choices.
3: For every Wraithguard unit taken as a Troops choice, a Wraithlord may be taken as an elite choice. But may still be taken as Heavy support choices. (Gut feeling tells me this won't make it to the final Dex.)
And here are the things assides from organazational slots that I've heard about.
1: Wraithlords have gotten a slight point increase, and now has alot more customization options, includeing useing 2 Heavy weapons (Although you might have to drop the Dreadnaught CC weapon to do it, but not 100% on that.) The Wraith Sword alows it to re-roll wounds.
2: Pathfinders are gone entirely, but as a bonus, basic Rangers now get +2 to their cover saves, and get AP 1 on a 5 or 6 on the to hit roll. Minimum squad size went up to 5, and can go up to 10, Points supposedly stayed the same. (Not definate on that.) They are still troop choices.
3: Warwalkers and Warpspiders have both been moved to Fast Attack Choices.
4: Phonix lords are in the dex, and they have equipment options, but still count as special characters.
5: Striking Scorpions are Strength 3, but their Exarchs "Crushing Blow" power now gives the entire squad +1 Strength.
6: Alatoc gets a Farseer Special Character ( I assume from the upcomming campaign.) That gives the force a Stratagy Rateing of 4 if taken. (Don't know what else he does.)
I still need to pick my friend's brain for a bit to see some of my other questions can be awnsered. Enjoy guys.
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Quote:1: All Eldar Vehicles remain at BS 3, but CTM now buffs them to BS 4, no more shoot and move Sad
2: Fire Prism's basic attack is STR 9, AP2, Heavy 3, with something special when you combine two of them, (If the sorce from my other rumors can be beleaved, combine the two to make a STR 10, AP1, Ordanance large template attack, But this has'nt been confirmed.)
3:Farseers are a 0-1 choice and may have a retinue of body guards. After purchacing 5 warlocks, you have the option of adding an additional Farseer to make a seer council, and if you have 7 warlocks, you may get an additional farseer. But I beleave it ends there. May not take Jetbike option if turned into a council, and Farseer's are still concidered independent Characters for purposes of CC, but may never leave the squad.
4: Warlocks come with Which blade + Shiriken pistol standard, and may be upgraded for other options, but have gotten a moderate point increase for the bundle.
5: Confirmed Star cannon is only Heavy 2 Sad
6: Friends did'nt see Spirit Stones on the Vehicle upgrades list so they might have been Axed, but they did'nt get the chance to see it in great detail.
Actualy, I don't think all these rumors are buffs. I think they are so far doing a good job of balancing the list. To me it seems like they are toneing down the Craftworld themed armys, while makeing alot of the units that had issues with them more for there money. But if all of these trends end up being true, Eldar will still be a very low model, low toughness army.. Iyadden does seem to still be nasty in Higher point games, but just the thought of picking up full 10 man wraith guard squads for each Extra Wraithlord + haveing a manditory Dire Avenger squad in addition to not being able to take Elite Aspects with Exarchs for contentions for Wraithlords. And if they wanted to be able to run up Wraithguard in Serpents, then Thats once again, another Elites choice that is competeing with the wraithlord.
It seems to me that the new dex will all be about checks and balances. You'll be able to have a beiltan like army, but you'll still only be able to feild the same amount of Exarchs on the Feild. (Which goes a bit more with the fluff concidering the Exarchs where supposed to be the masters of the shrine for the entire craftworld.). This will be crippleing to Scorpions that now need their Exarch to be STR 4. I can see Banshee's getting a bit more play becuase of this. And sure you could POSSIBLY feild 6 wraithlords if these rumors pan out to be true, but that means you have to shell out 1110 points alone on Wraithguard squads, assumeing the points on the WG stay the same.
And despite all the things that we have been hearing good about everything we are going to get, the only times I hear "Point Decrease" is when it comes to the Jetbikes, and the Singing Spear. Assides from that, all of the models seem to be staying the same points. The models just get buffs or nerfs to bring them more in line with the already existing points of the models. And with things still being Expensive point wise, its going to start getting realy pricy point wise to move around models like they are suggesting here.
Hearing the rumors one at a time it seems like its nothing but buffs, But once put back into the grand perspective of the entire thing it seems to me like its something that has been lacking through the complete eldar list since the beginning. And that is "Balance."
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Quote:The only thing I heard about guardians was their abilaty to feild two weapon platforms is not true. And that the New weapon platform is going to require its crew to always stay 2 inches away from the gun at all times (Supposedly the new Gun Platform has the gunner physicaly connecting to the thing, and always comes with a large base similar to the IG gun teams.) And that the gun itself can actualy be hurt and destroyed. Supposedly it is treated as simply a T6 Model with a +3 save so you can no longer use it to screen guardians from assault. Assides from that I do not know anything. I don't even know if their shiriken cats are confirmed at 18 inches. My friends tryed to focus on the stuff thats hotly debated and anticipated. Not nessesarily what is pretty much the same, as they only had a limited time to look over the list. Beleave me the big question I wanted to know was weather 2 of the same Weapons on Warwalkers and WL's will be counted as Twin linked, or will they actualy be two seperate weapons. Sadly, I don't know the awnser to that yet, but I'm going to give them a bunch of questions to awnser for me if they get a chance to look over the list again.
Oh, and I forgot,
The dire avengers little shield bit that people have been talking about (And that has been seen in the concept work as well as in WD) is nothing more then a shild that gives a +5 cover save to the squad. So its just a conceil without haveing it count as any kind of psycic power by the looks of it.
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DireAvengers are a 1+ requirement of the list unless you use nothing but jetbikes in the troops slots. [/b]
Striking Scorpoins, Wraithguard, and selected other Aspect warriors are elites choices by defalt. BUT, they become troop choices if you feild them in 10 man squads, and if you do not include an exarch in the Aspect squads. Otherwise they remain elites choices.[/b]
Warlocks come with Which blade + Shiriken pistol standard, and may be upgraded for other options, but have gotten a moderate point increase for the bundle.
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Friends did'nt see Spirit Stones on the Vehicle upgrades list so they might have been Axed, but they did'nt get the chance to see it in great detail.[/b]
Und 10 Phantomdroiden-Trupps? Die passen schonmal nicht in den Serpent rein und allein die (monetäre) Kosten für 10 solcher Modelle!
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Naja gut das der Schattenstrum bleibt! [/b]
Nur verstehe ich das mit dem rat nicht.... Also wenn man einen Rat einsetzt dürfen keine Runenleser sich andern Trupps anschließen oder ein jetbike erhalten?[/b]
Da hat GW ja gleich einen Grund gefunden, dass alle leute sich die neuen Avengers kaufen müssen, ja? ^.^DireAvengers are a 1+ requirement of the list unless you use nothing but jetbikes in the troops slots. [/b]
find ich gut. 🙂Kaufe 10, werde Standard biggrin.gif[/b]
dass ich keinen Exarchen in einem Skorp-Trupp haben kann, damit diese Standard werden (besonders, wenn sich das mit Stärke 3 bestätigen sollte)[/b]
Find ich im Grunde ganz gut, die Regel, wenn dann natürlich auch alle Vindicare Assassinen der Welt(en) sich nun noch mehr auf die Exarchen einschießen werden, da die Fähigkeiten der angeschlossenen Aspekt-Truppen dann doch drastisch gesenkt werden können.skorps sollen doch angeblich S (3) 4 bekommen, um zu zeigen das eldar alle S3 haben und nur die waffen ihnen +1 geben.[/b]