Hawk Wargames

Markgrafgero · 09. Juni 2012

allerdings empfinde ich ia das für ein massenschlachten game recht wenig modelle gespielt werden

Da liegt halt der Hase im Pfeffer. Bei dem "Einsteigerdeal" bekommt man halt den Eindruck, aber ob das spielbar ist? Ohne Regeln...

Das Spiel hat alternative Aktivierungen, aber pro Battlegroup. Und wenn der Starterinhalt eine nur Battlegroup ist, ists auf einmal IgoYougo.
Die andre Frage ist halt, wieviel sowas aushält. Eine Aoe in die 4 Männchenbasen rein und Spiel vorbei weil nichts mehr zum erobern? Oder vertragen Einheiten mal etwas Prügel, womit auch kleinere Spiele attraktiv werden?

Cheros · 09. Juni 2012

DrCox schrieb:
Die Preise sind...ein Witz. Nicht zu teuer, nein, denn offensichtlich gibt es ja Menschen, die die Preise gerechtfertigt finden, aber sie sind ein Witz.

Ich verdiene meiner Meinung nach sehr gut, aber selbst wenn ich das Dreifache verdienen würde, wäre es absolut dämlich für eine 5cm hohe Miniatur knapp 20 Pfund zu bezahlen. Aber gut, macht ihr mal..

Und ich begreife nicht, wie man nicht mal etwas über dn Herstellungsprozess nachdenken kann. Man steckt kein Resinbällchen in dir Erde und erntet nen Monat später eine Mini. Da steht verdammt viel Arbeit dahinter und genau das bezahlt man hier.
Zum anderen sind die Minis für 20 Pfund auch recht große Brocken.

Preda · 09. Juni 2012

Ist wohl nen Bänker.... da vermehrt sich ja alles auf Wundersame weise von selbst 😉

Dark Eldar · 09. Juni 2012

Markgrafgero schrieb:
Da liegt halt der Hase im Pfeffer. Bei dem "Einsteigerdeal" bekommt man halt den Eindruck, aber ob das spielbar ist? Ohne Regeln...

Das Spiel hat alternative Aktivierungen, aber pro Battlegroup. Und wenn der Starterinhalt eine nur Battlegroup ist, ists auf einmal IgoYougo.
Die andre Frage ist halt, wieviel sowas aushält. Eine Aoe in die 4 Männchenbasen rein und Spiel vorbei weil nichts mehr zum erobern? Oder vertragen Einheiten mal etwas Prügel, womit auch kleinere Spiele attraktiv werden?

Die kleinen Boxen sind schon spielbare Armeen, aber halt mit das kleinste was man spielen kann.

Bei größeren Spielen hat man nicht mehr Kampfgruppen, sondern einfach nur Kampfgruppen mit mehr Modellen. Das ganze konnte man aber schon auf Facebook, verschiedenen Blogs die hier verlinkt sind und im FAQ auf der Hawk Wargames Seite nachlesen.

@DrCox: Heute ein wenig zu viel Polemik zum Frühstück gehabt?

Galatea · 09. Juni 2012

Preda schrieb:
Also, lt. FAQ sind die Large Army Deals für Spiele von ca. 2-3 Std. dafür 140 Pfund +15 dann das Regelwerk ist doch ok, versteh nicht warum ihr euch alle so an der Größe hochzieht, schaut mal was eine Epic40k Armee kostet, die ist ferner auch noch zu 75% aus Plastik. Also für 155Pfund bekommt man auch nicht wirklich ne große 40k Armee.

Wie bitte?
Für ein Spiel mit 5 Landungsschiffen, 2 Jägern, ca. 20 Panzern (+1 Kommandomodell) und 12 Infanterietrupps brauchen die 2-3 Stunden???
Was haben die denn bitte für ein Regelsystem, wenn das stimmen sollte spielt sich ja selbst 40k dagegen wie Formel1 auf Speed (und das ist schon echt lahmarschig).

Karag · 09. Juni 2012

na ja ganz so hart will ich nicht sein ^^ er hat nicht föllig unrecht die preise sind happig (zumidest zumtei) die inf empfinde ich z.b als zimlich teuer (auch verglichen mit FoW)

aber es scheint nicht unbezahlbar vor allem wen es halt doch nicht sooo modell intensiv ist (was ich wieder schade fände) ich hatte eher auf ein bezahlbares game mit 50 und mehr fahrzeuge pro seite gehofft

Mshrak · 09. Juni 2012

@Dark Eldar:
Du scheinst ja etwas mehr zu wissen als wir, da du anscheinend Händler zu sein scheinst.
Lässt er grossflächig Händler zu oder will er mehr alles über seine HP verkaufen???

Iceeagle85 · 09. Juni 2012

Ich dachte ich stell mal den Hintergrund hier rein

Scourge:

The Scourge are foul, neuro-parasitic lifeforms which can utterly dominate an unfortunate host, bending its life to its will. They thrive on the conquest and absorption of other races, their very mode of existence as potent a threat as their formidable battlefield technology. They are the galaxy's ultimate predators.

Their breathtaking assimilation of the central planets, including Earth itself, has made them the primary threat to the very existence of mankind. Their methods of killing on the battlefield are abhorrent to witness, but violent death at the hand of their potent plasma weaponry can be as nothing compared to the dread of being taken alive.

'Pure' Scourge

Outside a host, a Scourge isn't much to look upon, sickening though they undoubtedly are. Scourge adults are wispy, boneless, soft bodied creatures, frail in the extreme. Indeed, its fetid body is hard to identify amongst the myriad swirling tendrils of its extremities.

A Scourge can survive for its full lifespan without a host. It has been postulated that the Scourge evolved independently from hosts and only presented neuro-parasitic abilities late in their development. Once beyond the larval stage, in fact, it becomes impossible for a Scourge to take a host at all, and it must henceforth live as a pathetic, fragile creature for the remainder of its foul existence. It was a drive for physical improvement which ultimately led the Scourge to find strength in the bodies of other races.

Pure Scourge are obviously utterly unsuited for the open battlefield. Indeed, in gravity beyond 0.5G a Scourge cannot even move outside a liquid. Pure Scourge are however commonly found on the battlefield in control of vehicles, confirmed by studies of Scourge wrecks. Inside their unsettling and insectile war machines were found pockets of a black, tar like nutrient soup, floating inside which were pure Scourge. It seems that if larvae are not provided with a host in time, Scourge find strength in a manufactured chassis. The disturbingly predatory, organic qualities of the movements of scourge vehicles can be explained by this unholy communion of Scourge and construct, a process which is understood to be permanent.

Taking a Host

To live with any degree of potency, a Scourge must take a carbon-based host early in its life. How this is done remains a mystery to UCM scientists, since no man has ever seen the process and lived to tell the tale. Those few to have escaped Scourge 'breeding hives' speak of the unendurable screams and the agony of the victims, a torment understood to last for months in some cases.

Externally, captured hosts retain their normal physical characteristics in the early stages of possession. Internally however, the Scourge will have fully developed into a web of gelatinous fibres, bound to the nervous system of the host.

In a fairly short time, external symptoms become obvious. A heightened thirst, coupled with a constant sweat is the first noticeable sign of possession. Curiously, hosts lose the ability to produce colour pigment, and over time became more and more pale, the eyes eventually turning a sickly red. Their thirst and propensity to sweat also heightens with time, eventually reaching a stage where they routinely drink the blood of the fallen, comrades and enemies alike.

The Scourge* prolongs the life of the host but ultimately ages itself, although it can live for several centuries. When the Scourge eventually begins to die, the host becomes increasingly erratic, as the Scourge's iron grip on its nervous system deteriorates. Eventually, the Scourge dies, closely followed by the host, wracked with apparent insanity and pain.

Usurpers by Nature

The Scourge appear to be exploiting captured planets to the full, running all human industrial centres 24 hours a day, and often augmenting and expanding them with their own, sinisterly organic looking structures. Areas of little use to the Scourge, such as the once thriving entertainment and cultural centres have been left to rot, leading to eerie vistas of beautiful buildings reclaimed by nature.

It has been suggested that the Scourge may be able to make use of a measure of the hosts memories, an insidious and ominous prospect explaining their continued use of human structures and systems. Indeed, this can be seen as a highly efficient mode of conquest, since a ready-made environment exists amongst the host's former cities. In this way, the Scourge not only absorb the bodies, but also the technology, knowledge and power base of their vanquished prey. As the Scourge conquer, they only become more potent as the Galaxy's apex predator.

Invaders

The Scourge are masters of planetary invasion. Their entire fighting system is geared towards this single minded goal. Their dropships are strictly one-way transports, deploying from low orbit in freefall and only capable of sustained powered flight at relatively low altitudes. Sinister grav-tanks can deploy from these peculiar, vertically configured craft in seconds, reaching the combat zone faster than those all other races, save the Shaltari. Their weapons are short ranged, but spectacularly destructive. Their entire ethos demands lighting speed, intense shock and merciless aggression. The Scourge do not know retreat, they either conquer, or die trying.

UCM:

Forged in desperation, united by adversity and resurgent in power, the UCM exists for a single purpose - to wrest mankind's lost strongholds from the clutches of the Scourge. A collection of diverse and remote frontier worlds, the UCM is a restless cultural melting pot, bubbling with a righteous desire for vengeance.

One and a half centuries after the Scourge captured Earth and the Cradle Worlds, the UCM has expanded beyond all recognition. The greatest military force in the history of humanity has been assembled; a vast armada recently unleashed against enemies old and new.

The Colonies

The UCM consists of a series of former frontier planets, once peopled only by desperadoes, ne'er do wells and enterprising characters, eager to forge new lives and seek fortunes. These worlds were not chosen for their beauty or amenity, but rather for their considerable mineral wealth.

The course of their development was irrevocably altered in the chaotic aftermath of the Scourge invasion, when scores of fleeing refugees descended on these obscure backwaters. A measure of the enterprising and hardy character of the original inhabitants influenced this massive influx of new blood, creating a new and dynamic civilisation.

Today, the colonies have become the industrial powerhouses they were originally intended to be, churning out the mighty war machine required to take on the Scourge. Their extensive natural resources have proven crucial to mankind's spectacular recovery from total defeat. The estimated population of the UCM has recently exceeded 20 billion souls.

Military Might

Despite its democratic underpinnings, the UCM is essentially a military state. This has arisen not through tyranny, but rather through necessity. Many senior army and fleet offices come automatically with Senate and even High Council seats. Most civilian politicians recognise the need for defence issues to supersede all other concerns and are firmly behind the Reconquest. The UCM has essentially been in a state of war since its very foundation.

Most UCM citizens live austere and often harsh lives, human toil being the lifeblood of the Reconquest. Most accept this with stoic determination, and hope one day to see the lush Cradle Worlds and even Earth itself with their own eyes. These distant jewels have a place in the heart of many who once listened in awe to their grandparents' tales of great cities, lush gardens and lives of leisure. All understand that a free future can only be theirs through annihilating the Scourge.

On the Offensive

Central UCM military strategy calls for efficient, lighting fast planetary assault from space. Almost all UCM materiel has been designed with this fundamental tenet in mind, from the heaviest dropship to the humble assault rifle. All UCM constructs are lightweight, efficient, utilitarian and cost effective, facilitating en-mass deployment.

Vehicles

Modern UCM armoured vehicles are a far cry from the ungainly, lumbering contraptions of the 20th century. They are necessarily lightweight, and are protected by advanced composite armour, active countermeasures, low signatures and sheer weight of numbers.

UCM vehicles are distinctly utilitarian in appearance, with harsh lines and compact forms. A common theme in UCM tank design is an extremely low profile. This allows for maximum efficiency in transit, and presents a more difficult target to the enemy. Part of this design necessitates cramped crew compartments, where drivers often lay prone inside their machines.

The UCM's industrial powerhouse churns out armour at a staggering rate, aided by the colonies' epic reserves of raw material. Armed with the potent weaponry, the UCM's armoured hordes are poised to deliver crushing vengeance to the Scourge, and all others who stand in their way.

PHR:

A tiny portion of humanity turned its back on mankind in the waning days of the last Golden Age. Over one and a half centuries later, the PHR has emerged from the shadows as an unrecognisable civilisation, its people irrevocably changed. They are no longer simple human beings, they are post-humans - cyborgs.

A society no more than three billion strong, the PHR is a nation of elites, each individual more than a match for several lesser mortals. With remarkable speed, they have made technological advancements surpassing those of the UCM. Since its fiery birth, the PHR has been guided by the enigmatic White Sphere, a mysterious object of immense power. It is treated by the people of the PHR with a reverence bordering on worship.

Birth and the White Sphere

The PHR was born through division, fire and death. Shortly before the Scourge invasion, a mysterious object of obviously alien origin fell into the atmosphere of Earth. It delivered a bleak warning of impending doom to humanity.

Heeding the warning provided by the White Sphere, a tide of convinced souls known as the Abandonists left Earth and the Cradle worlds to their prophesised fate. In order to make good their escape, they chose to fire upon the fleet sent to stop them. This provided a chance for the majority of their armada to jump into the unknown darkness of space. Their faith in The Warning spared them the horrors of the Scourge invasion, and resulted in the seeding of a new society.

Today, the Sphere occupies a revered and crucial position in the Republic, determining much of its policies. It is almost certain that a good measure of the PHR's evident technological superiority can be attributed to the Sphere's apparently benevolent influence. The Republic has morphed from a desperate collection of mutineers and refugees into an unrecognisable society in less than 170 years, a feat only accomplishable with considerable aid. The question of motive is obvious, but theories here are too wild to justify putting down in record. For now, the White Sphere remains the greatest enigma to trouble the UCM.

Emergence

The fate of those who escaped remained utterly unknown until the eve of the UCM's ambitious Reconquest campaign. A strange and unlooked for ship suddenly appeared over Aurum (site of the UCM seat of power), containing a delegation from the self declared Post-Human Republic. This mystifyingly changed yet humanlike group, entered an audience with the UCM High Council, and avowed their nature as descendants of the Abandonist movement.

What knowledge UCM has acquired in the brief time since the PHR's emergence is incomplete at best, and more often pure conjecture. Most has been gleaned through frosty diplomatic relations and interrogations. In these few short months, the UCM acquired a number of prisoners and bodies for autopsy, since armed conflict has already erupted between the two factions.

Post-Humans

From the earliest encounters with citizens of the Republic, their 'changed' nature was instantly noticeable. While clearly human, their appearance, speech, movements and mannerisms were somehow uncanny and certainly disquieting. Their claim to being more than simply human was never in doubt from the moment it was voiced.

Early research indicates extensive use of cybernetic prosthetics and modification, both for the purposes of injury repair and for improved physical performance. These artificial additions vary from simple bone and limb replacements to incomprehensibly advanced bio-artificial melding of living tissue and fabricated nanostructures.

However repugnant this sounds, subjects appear at the height of physical perfection, despite the aforementioned gnawing feelings of 'difference' engendered to all who look upon them. Most UCM citizens who have witnessed them in person regard them as abhorrent and unnatural, a virtually distinct species to their own.

Elite Armies

The population of the PHR is tiny compared to that of the UCM. In order to be effective as a fighting force, the PHR concentrates on maximising the survivability and lethality of every unit. With superior technology and artificial enhancements at its disposal, the Republic has proven highly successful at this aim.

Since the PHR seemingly has no short term desire to recapture Earth and the Cradle worlds, it has no need of a vast military machine such as that of the UCM. Without this necessity, the Republic has been able to focus on providing a matchless quality of training and equipment to its few troops.

Vehicles

In many respects, PHR vehicles are very similar to those of the UCM. Both groups share common heritage, although PHR armoured units have evolved quite differently to their counterparts. Technological advancements and higher build quality generally make them superior in most respects. Well armed, they are often outnumbered, but seldom outgunned.

The most obvious difference is the presence of the imposing battle walkers, coupled with a cleaner, more developed aesthetic. The Republic still makes use of traditional treaded vehicles however, and shares broadly similar troop delivery and extraction methods, supported by a series of dropships.

PHR vehicles make use of an extensive array of optical and electromagnetic systems to provide the crew with detailed situational awareness, their most distinctive physical feature being prominent EM scanning domes. Most units feature no windows whatsoever, relying entirely on these systems for vision. All PHR vehicles with a living pilot are equipped with neural connections to an isolated onboard AI. This provides tactical assistance in combat, including targeting and threat analysis, further enhancing the effectiveness of the pilot-machine union.

Shaltari:

The Shaltari are an ancient and highly developed species. Their technology is advanced to a level of sophistication rivalled only by its potency. They have traversed the stars for millennia, learned myriad truths, and have fought countless wars. Through their knowledge, the Shaltari transcend even death itself, and can endure indefinitely, perceiving the ebb and flow of time like no other race.

In battle, the Shaltari are fearsome adversaries. Their swiftness is unmatched, their firepower unequalled, their bravery undeniable. The beauty of their constructs bellies their true nature; engines of death, honed to lethal perfection long before humanity learned to throw stones. They are peerless masters of technology.

Physiology

Shaltari are diminutive in stature, standing a little over four feet high. They are roughly humanoid, although disproportionately long-limbed. They are covered from head to foot in long, thick spines, the colour of which can be changed at will. Waves of complex patterns can be broadcast at bewildering speed, a trait which has been likened to cuttlefish on Earth. Despite this, individuals do present a 'dominant' colour for the majority of the time, believed to be linked to complex psychological conditions.

Shaltari have large, ovoid eyes. Unlike human eyes, these appear opaque and lack pupils. Despite this, their vision is broadly equivalent to that of humans. A Shaltari has no discernable nose or ears, although a small mouth is visible, lined with short, sharp teeth.

The Enduring Consciousness

The natural life of a Shaltari is believed to exceed three centuries. Like all known lifeforms, biological mortality eventually sets in, bringing old age and death. This loss of education, expertise and experience was mourned deeply by the early Shaltari, a race which has always valued knowledge above all things. This sense of futile loss was eventually banished by their most important technological innovation - consciousness transfer.

Near mortal death, this advanced process allows the psyche and memories of the subject to be transferred into another physical body. Brain-dead 'shell' bodies are grown especially for this purpose, allowing the consciousness of the individual to endure beyond natural demise. This simple summary represents the limits of human understanding of this revered and enigmatic process.

In this manner, some Shaltari have 'lived' for millennia, progressing though dozens of bodies. These 'Elders' have vast levels of experience at their disposal, knowledge which enabled the Shaltari to expand technologically beyond the scope of all other known races.

Warrior Veneration

In current times, the most common way for a Shaltari to meet death is in battle. To the human psyche, it would seem logical that participation in war would be desperately avoided by such a race. This could not be further from the truth, due to the central tenet in Shaltari culture - Warrior Veneration.

While the Shaltari value knowledge above all else, they respect martial endeavour beyond all other undertakings. The Shaltari have had to fight for their existence countless times over millennia as starfarers. As such, their veneration for warriors has reached a zenith unequalled by the younger races.

This deep reverence has resulted in a dominant warlike subculture within Shaltari society. This is a clear two-tier structure where those who have never seen battle cannot even be bestowed with a name. The Shaltari believe that this basic level of respect can only be achieved by fighting for the race. This attitude has extended to dealings with humans, where Shaltari ambassadors refuse to speak to or address by name those without military experience.

The Tribes

Over time, the Shaltari have come to embrace the concept of strength through diversity, struggle and competition. Since they are accustomed to being the most advanced and powerful race in their spheres of influence, the only logical source for such contest has been with each other.

Throughout the ages, differences of opinion and various cultural nuances have developed between disparate groups, resulting in clear divisions within Shaltari society. These divisions are appreciated and indeed lauded by all Shaltari as a driving force for development, invention and improvement against stagnation.

Humans have come to refer to these distinct blocks as 'Tribes', a simple term used by early Shaltari ambassadors. Tribes were assigned designations corresponding to early indigenous Earth nations and cultures, a practice continued by the UCM (United Colonies of Mankind). These are normally allocated randomly and do not indicate any similarity between the Tribe and its original namesake. Ancient names such as Apache, Inuit, Amazon and Inca are in common usage once again, although now with very different connotations.

Technology

Shaltari vehicles are highly distinctive, and justly famous for their geometric complexity and exquisite splendour. Many have likened their appearance to jewellery, although this masks their true nature as beautifully engineered killing machines. It is understood by UCM scientists that practically every apparently ornamental feature has a real function, the nature of which is normally a complete enigma.

A central pillar of Shaltari battlefield technology and strategy is teleportation. This allows for troops to be deployed, rerouted and extracted in a matter of seconds, without needlessly putting lives at risk during transit. Their tactical manoeuvres are therefore quite unlike those of any other known race, making them slippery and formidable adversaries.

Shaltari gunnery is rightly feared, their weapons being the most advanced yet encountered by mankind. A wide array of lethal devices can bring shattering firepower to bear from afar. Only the very strongest armour can hope to withstand such overwhelming force.

Dark Eldar · 09. Juni 2012

Mshrak schrieb:
@Dark Eldar:
Du scheinst ja etwas mehr zu wissen als wir, da du anscheinend Händler zu sein scheinst.
Lässt er grossflächig Händler zu oder will er mehr alles über seine HP verkaufen???

Wieso sollte ich ein Händler sein? Die ganzen Infos sind für jeden zugänglich, ich habe ja nicht umsonst geschrieben:

Dark Eldar schrieb:
Das ganze konnte man aber schon auf Facebook, verschiedenen Blogs die hier verlinkt sind und im FAQ auf der Hawk Wargames Seite nachlesen.

Galatea · 09. Juni 2012

Wie sieht das dann eigentlich mit der Punkteverteilung aus?
Wenn ich mir so die Hintergrundtexte durchlese brauch ich als UCM in einem ausgeglichenen Spiel ja locker dreimal soviele Einheiten wie als PHR.
Das wäre dann preislich schon ein ziemlich krasser Unterschied.

Mshrak · 09. Juni 2012

Danke DE: nach deinen Aussagen hielt ich das fürs erste so. Aber danke für die Aufklärung. Dann muss ich mal meinen Dealer fragen, was er denn alles beziehen kann.

Klatschi · 10. Juni 2012

Auch wenn man mit den 80 € - Boxen schon spielen kann: Es sind jeweils 15-17 Modelle drin (ich zähle jetzt einfach mal einen Infantery-Stand als ein Modell).
Das hat Qualitäten von einem Skirmish, aber 80 € sind da schon ein happiger Einstieg. Wenn man überlegt, was Spartan Games in ihre Starterpacks reinpackt und wie hoch da die Preise sind - ich würde das vom Umfang her als Vergleichbar ansehen, vom Preis her leider nicht.

Klar, es ist ein Ein-Mann-Unternehmen, der alles selbst designed, alles selbst gesculptet und die Regeln selbst entwickelt hat. Aber vielleicht wäre es dann sinnvoller gewesen, sich unterwegs Unterstützung zu holen - so könnte es gut passieren, dass er auf die Nase fällt. Schade, mir gefallen die Minis echt gut!

Dark Eldar · 10. Juni 2012

Wie kann man das nun mit Spartan vergleichen, wo doch schon bei den ersten News zur Salute gesagt wurde das sich die Minis im oberen Kostenbereich ansiedeln werden.

Auch der Vergleich der Boxen hinkt recht stark, Spartan hat ein Großmodell in jeder Box, bei Hawk sind es 3. Ich kenne die Spartan Modelle nun zu wenig um auch die Fregatten und Kreuzer miteinander zu vergleichen.

Dazu kommt noch die Qualität, hier müssen wir warten bis die ersten Spieler ihre Boxen haben, um einen Vergleich zu ziehen, von den Previewbildern werde ich keine Rückschlüsse anstellen.

Ferox21 · 10. Juni 2012

Nun es ist schon so, dass die Minis hier teurer sind als zB bei Spartan Games. Allerdings kann ich das schon verstehen, ist es doch hier ein Ein-Mann Unternehmen und er wird jede Menge Geld vorgeschossen haben. Und wenn ich die Mondpreise sehe, die GW heute für Epic 40k Minis haben will ist das wieder geradezu billig.

Dennoch - eigentlich ist ein Large Deal für den Einstieg schon Pflicht, und da schreckt mich der Preis dann eben doch ab, genau wie der Umstand, das man den nur über den online Shop ordern kann.

Wie wir es drehen und wenden, ich denke schon, dass er mit den Preisen weniger wird abverkaufen können....

DrCox · 10. Juni 2012

Wie kann man das nun mit Spartan vergleichen, wo doch schon bei den ersten News zur Salute gesagt wurde das sich die Minis im oberen Kostenbereich ansiedeln werden.

Ähhh, weil es ähnliche, pardon, sehr ähnliche Produkte sind?

Wenn ich zwei Schweineschnitzel habe, die sowohl von der Qualität als auch der Größe fast identisch sind, vergleiche ich die auch, selbst wenn der Wirt bei der Bestellung sagt: "Aber Obacht! Das Warhawk-Schnitzel ist unerklärlicherweise einfach mal doppelt so teuer."

DeusExMachina · 10. Juni 2012

1:160 und 1:1200 zu vergleichen ist bissle wie Birnen und Äpfel.

Aber man kann davon aus gehen das das Warhawkteam ähnlich produzieren wird (siehe Bear) und auch der Qualitätsanspruch wird ähnlich sein.

bastler · 10. Juni 2012

Ich habe hier rausgelesen, dass dieses System eine Ein-Mann-Show ist!

Ich bin schwer beeindruckt! Mantic muss sich da mal ne Scheibe abschneiden! Besonders die als Druck bestellbaren Bilder sind gewaltig, das hier besonders:

Dark Eldar · 10. Juni 2012

DrCox schrieb:
Ähhh, weil es ähnliche, pardon, sehr ähnliche Produkte sind?

Wenn ich zwei Schweineschnitzel habe, die sowohl von der Qualität als auch der Größe fast identisch sind, vergleiche ich die auch, selbst wenn der Wirt bei der Bestellung sagt: "Aber Obacht! Das Warhawk-Schnitzel ist unerklärlicherweise einfach mal doppelt so teuer."

Ähh, falsch. Siehe Boxinhalt, Maßstab, Setting usw. usw.. DeusExMachina hat es schon richtig gesagt, Äpfel und Birnen. Der Vergleich ist genauso unsinnig wie der Vergleich WHF und Warmachine/Hordes.

Ferox21 · 10. Juni 2012

bastler schrieb:
Ich habe hier rausgelesen, dass dieses System eine Ein-Mann-Show ist!

Ich bin schwer beeindruckt! Mantic muss sich da mal ne Scheibe abschneiden! Besonders die als Druck bestellbaren Bilder sind gewaltig, das hier besonders:...

Nun, so ganz glaube ich das mit der Ein-Mann Show nichtmehr. Richtig ist, dass der Designer eine sehr lange Zeit die Designs und Testmodelle in seinem stillen Kämmerlein alleine angefertigt hat. Aber jetzt in den letzten Zügen kurz vor Release wird er sich sicherein paar helfende Hände geholt haben.

Aber ja, das System wirkt auf jeden Fall sehr professionell aufgezogen. Vor allem die Paintjobs sind alle auf sehr gutem Niveau. Es kann aber auch sein, dass das am Ende ein Problem wird, denn ich denke, dass ein Teil dee Anganfserfolgs von Spartan Games und Mantic der anfängliche Newbie und Underdog-Charme war.

@Dark Eldar:
Ich will erst abwarten - aber so groß wirken die Modelle von Dropzone jetzt nicht im Vergleich zu den 20 Cent-Stücken. Ein kleiner Panzer ist dann in etwa so groß wie ein Medium Tank von Dystopian Wars. Aber es bleibt: Der Einstiegspreis ist hier deutlich höher als bei einem der Systeme von Spartan oder einem Skirmisher. Mal nebenbei kauft man sich hier sicher keine Starterbox...

Mshrak · 10. Juni 2012

Also je mehr ich mich mit der Seite beschäftige, umso mehr finde ich die Preise in Ordnung. Wenn ich mir so die unbehandelten Minis ansehe, sehen diese echt perfekt aus. Keine Frage, das man dafür Geld sehen will. Natürlich hat Spartan die gleiche Quali aber er deckt ein anderes System ab.....
Die Preise sind in jedem Fall human.

Ich werde mir heute noch einen Ruck geben und das RB ordern. Das System hat es verdient gelesen zu werden. Egal ob jetzt die Stimmung gedämpf ist oder nicht.

Und lasst uns hier endlich aufhören das System runterzuziehen anhand der Preise.

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