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Diskussion Datasheets neuer Dämonen Codex
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Ziemlich viel Aufwand für erfundene Regeln... ich will es mal vorerst glauben 😛
Ziemlich viel Aufwand für erfundene Regeln... ich will es mal vorerst glauben 😛
Vieles klingt gut, aber nur 1 Greater Dämon pro Detachment find ich nicht gut. Aber ist ja Trend imo Das generell zu beschraenken.
Dann lieber wie bei den Fliegern an die Spielgrösse gekoppelt.
Ist aber natürlich alles noch ziemlich salzig ?
Dann lieber wie bei den Fliegern an die Spielgrösse gekoppelt.
Ist aber natürlich alles noch ziemlich salzig ?
Das mit dem 1 grossen Dämonen pro detachment würde mich nicht überraschen, nichtmal wenn auch nur 1 DP pro detachment wäre.
Rest wäre eigentlich sehr in die Richtung die ich gut fände. Jeder hat seine passenden Regeln und mono Dämonen haben boni im Gegensatz zu mehreren. Bela regelt da natürlich ??.
Das die troops runter gesetzt werden ist schade, aber da wurde ja auch viel angepasst bei anderen armeen. Das furien rausfallen finde ich auch sehr schade. Wenn man die ohne boni als günstige Einheiten wählen könnte (alle incubi usw.) Wäre denke ich die bessere Lösung.
Alles in allem klingt das aber nicht schlecht, wenn das auch so kommt...
Rest wäre eigentlich sehr in die Richtung die ich gut fände. Jeder hat seine passenden Regeln und mono Dämonen haben boni im Gegensatz zu mehreren. Bela regelt da natürlich ??.
Das die troops runter gesetzt werden ist schade, aber da wurde ja auch viel angepasst bei anderen armeen. Das furien rausfallen finde ich auch sehr schade. Wenn man die ohne boni als günstige Einheiten wählen könnte (alle incubi usw.) Wäre denke ich die bessere Lösung.
Alles in allem klingt das aber nicht schlecht, wenn das auch so kommt...
Was sollen denn diese command abilities sein? Hat man die jetzt von AoS geklaut?
Ich glaube sie meinen entweder "Command Phase" oder Strategems. Eher ersteres.
1 Großer wäre für mich ok. Ich mag es eh nicht so wenn mehrere fast identische Centerpiece Modelle auf dem Tisch stehen. Das nimmt dem Centerpiece irgendwie das besondere.
Solange sie dann Regeln bekommen die verhindern das man sie in der ersten Runde direkt wieder vom Tisch räumen kann passt da sicher 🙂
Solange sie dann Regeln bekommen die verhindern das man sie in der ersten Runde direkt wieder vom Tisch räumen kann passt da sicher 🙂
Er kommt. Hoffentlich ist er ab nächster Woche Samstag vorbestellbar dann. ?
Na ja GW schreibt:
We’ve got plenty of news about this daemonic force coming up shortly on Warhammer Community,
Ich glaube daher nicht, dass der schon nächste Woche kommt. Ich rechne mal mit 2 Wochen bis 1 Monat und halt die üblichen Häppchen jetzt auf Warcomm.
We’ve got plenty of news about this daemonic force coming up shortly on Warhammer Community,
Ich glaube daher nicht, dass der schon nächste Woche kommt. Ich rechne mal mit 2 Wochen bis 1 Monat und halt die üblichen Häppchen jetzt auf Warcomm.
Ich rechne ab Mitte August mit dem Codex. Das würde dann ungefähr auch mit der Roadmap für 30k übereinstimmen für das Daemons of the Ruinstorm PDF.
Es gibt 1-2 Wochen Regelpreviews, dann kommt der Preodertermin, und eine Woche später ist der Codex da. Also ca. Mitte August.
Und von Spikey Bits:
Various Chaos God Abilities:
- the tradeoff is mainly related to the Warpstorm table. You generate points by rolling dice. You get points from there, and can spend them for effects. Mixing gods reduces how many dice you get to roll.
- Apparently adding Be’lakor to the list removes this handicap
- Most Khorne units are a 4/4 or 4/5 save and Khorne is the “most improved.”
- Some Tzeentch units have a 3+ for ranged but not all. Tzeentch is always at a worse save in melee.
- Icons give you the ICON keyword which is relevant for the WS table. The instrument seems to be a morale reroll.
- Less reliable from the discord: Pinks, PB’s, and BL’s are all 10 ppm.
Be’lakorRules
- Rumored to be +40 points 20 wounds -1 to hit and wound at range and melee
- -1 damage at range
- No rerolls to hit
- S8 T7 4+, 4++
Mitte August wäre ja schonmal nice.
Die Waffen vom GuO sind leider nix.. das Schwert macht noch immer w6 damage was einfach im heutigen stand mist ist..
Die Waffen vom GuO sind leider nix.. das Schwert macht noch immer w6 damage was einfach im heutigen stand mist ist..
BoLS hat mal die "Gerüchte" aus verschiedenen Quellen zusammen getragen, ich dann hier für uns 😉:
-Many unit sizes are limited to 10 for troops (daemonettes are 20), 6 for elite. Essentially moving to being more “elite” and less hoard type.
-Most auras are now command abilities
-Most units deepstrike for free without using CP.
-New “daemon save”. invulns will be gone, and replaced with a new type of save that cannot be modified by AP. And thus not ignored by any abilities that ignore invuln. The save will change depending on if the attack is from ranged or melee and each god has different variations of this. E.g. Tzeentch units like a LoC will have a 3+ vs. ranged and 5+ vs. melee.
-Furies are gone
-Summoning is gone or changed. No more setting aside points. “more like a homing beacon affect”.
-New faction ability that is similar to warp tides from 7th ed. New pts system to use abilities. Uncertain if this will allow “free” units. Stronger if you are a mono god army. Weaker if you mix and match unless your army has Belekor.
-Sounds like toward the end of the year release.
-Treason of Tzeentch now turns off auras instead of controlling a model
-Infernal gateway better, now when you roll the 12+ it does flat 3 MW instead of d6. And the biggest change is that instead of measuring from one model to see if nearby units are hit, it measures from every model in the original target unit.
-Kairos gets a + to cast, the bonus being the battle round number.
-LOC keep +2 to cast.
-New unit name found, the Rendmaster. Possibly just a rename for the bloodthrone. 9 wound character model.
-Bloodthirster has 8 attacks at AP-4 3+D3 damage. or sweep 16 attacks D1 AP-3.
-All khorne units got +1 toughness, 4+ new daemon save against shooting,
-Bloodcrushers have 5 wounds.
-Disgustingly resiliant in line with DG. -1 damage.
-Nurglings now FA or Elite(source is not certain) No longer troops and obsec
-plagueswords have AP now, and overall a lot easier at wounding things for all nurgle
-Beasts of Nurgle stats got way tankier. capped at 3 instead of 9.
-At least 1 wound has been added to everything
-Chariots are T6 and are more deadly. and fast enough to deal with movement restrictions i.e. ruins.
-Daemonettes improved in offense. Full re-rolls and auto wounding 6’s with the right buffs
-Epitome no longer has the “no fall back” ability, and more focused on spellcasting
-Masque is better at putting out buffs and debuffs
General:
-Further confirmation of daemonic saves, including two profiles for range/melee
-GUO has 4+/5+ against range/melee.
-LoC has 3+/5+ against range/melee.
-Icons: Give the ICON keyword, which is somehow relevant to the new Warp Storm table.
-Instruments appear to give morale re-rolls.
GUO Details
-GUO has 4+/5+ against range/melee.
-T8, 22W
–GUO still has 5+++
-Vomit attack: 7″, d6 auto-hits, S5, AP-2, D1.
-Bilesword has: Cleave at +1S, AP-3, Dd6, 6s to hit auto-wound; Sweep at SU, AP-3, 1D, double attacks.
-Bileblade: SU, AP-3, D2, re-roll wounds, and ‘improves casting’
-Flail: 7″, d3+3A, SU, AP-3, D2.
-Nurgling attacks in addition
-Bell has a resurrection-style resurrection action for Plaguebearers
-Gives Nurgle CORE re-rolls
Khorne
-‘most improved’
-Most have 4+/4+ or 4+/5+ against range/melee.
Tzeentch
-3+ against ranged for most, but not all units.
-Always has a worse save against melee.
Conflicted
-Apparently another user states that Pink Horrors, Plaguebearers, and Bloodletters are all 10pts each.
-People are generally doubtful of this, at least if the other rumours of their buffs are true.
Common Changes
-Greater daemons are limited to 1 per detachment. But GD’s received better stats and more wounds. “similar to a knight'”. Beefier.-Many unit sizes are limited to 10 for troops (daemonettes are 20), 6 for elite. Essentially moving to being more “elite” and less hoard type.
-Most auras are now command abilities
-Most units deepstrike for free without using CP.
-New “daemon save”. invulns will be gone, and replaced with a new type of save that cannot be modified by AP. And thus not ignored by any abilities that ignore invuln. The save will change depending on if the attack is from ranged or melee and each god has different variations of this. E.g. Tzeentch units like a LoC will have a 3+ vs. ranged and 5+ vs. melee.
-Furies are gone
-Summoning is gone or changed. No more setting aside points. “more like a homing beacon affect”.
-New faction ability that is similar to warp tides from 7th ed. New pts system to use abilities. Uncertain if this will allow “free” units. Stronger if you are a mono god army. Weaker if you mix and match unless your army has Belekor.
-Sounds like toward the end of the year release.
Tzeentch
-Horrors split for free on a 5+ now.-Treason of Tzeentch now turns off auras instead of controlling a model
-Infernal gateway better, now when you roll the 12+ it does flat 3 MW instead of d6. And the biggest change is that instead of measuring from one model to see if nearby units are hit, it measures from every model in the original target unit.
-Kairos gets a + to cast, the bonus being the battle round number.
-LOC keep +2 to cast.
Khorne
-Bloodletters are 2 attacks, S5 -3AP D2. Can get buffs that do auto wounding 6’s, re-rolls, and bonus attacks.-New unit name found, the Rendmaster. Possibly just a rename for the bloodthrone. 9 wound character model.
-Bloodthirster has 8 attacks at AP-4 3+D3 damage. or sweep 16 attacks D1 AP-3.
-All khorne units got +1 toughness, 4+ new daemon save against shooting,
-Bloodcrushers have 5 wounds.
Nurgle
-Plaguebeareres T5 and 2W.-Disgustingly resiliant in line with DG. -1 damage.
-Nurglings now FA or Elite(source is not certain) No longer troops and obsec
-plagueswords have AP now, and overall a lot easier at wounding things for all nurgle
-Beasts of Nurgle stats got way tankier. capped at 3 instead of 9.
-At least 1 wound has been added to everything
Slaanesh
-Lots of ways to gain abilites to fight on death, fight last, or fights first-Chariots are T6 and are more deadly. and fast enough to deal with movement restrictions i.e. ruins.
-Daemonettes improved in offense. Full re-rolls and auto wounding 6’s with the right buffs
-Epitome no longer has the “no fall back” ability, and more focused on spellcasting
-Masque is better at putting out buffs and debuffs
General:
-Further confirmation of daemonic saves, including two profiles for range/melee
-GUO has 4+/5+ against range/melee.
-LoC has 3+/5+ against range/melee.
-Icons: Give the ICON keyword, which is somehow relevant to the new Warp Storm table.
-Instruments appear to give morale re-rolls.
GUO Details
-GUO has 4+/5+ against range/melee.
-T8, 22W
–GUO still has 5+++
-Vomit attack: 7″, d6 auto-hits, S5, AP-2, D1.
-Bilesword has: Cleave at +1S, AP-3, Dd6, 6s to hit auto-wound; Sweep at SU, AP-3, 1D, double attacks.
-Bileblade: SU, AP-3, D2, re-roll wounds, and ‘improves casting’
-Flail: 7″, d3+3A, SU, AP-3, D2.
-Nurgling attacks in addition
-Bell has a resurrection-style resurrection action for Plaguebearers
-Gives Nurgle CORE re-rolls
Khorne
-‘most improved’
-Most have 4+/4+ or 4+/5+ against range/melee.
Tzeentch
-3+ against ranged for most, but not all units.
-Always has a worse save against melee.
Conflicted
-Apparently another user states that Pink Horrors, Plaguebearers, and Bloodletters are all 10pts each.
-People are generally doubtful of this, at least if the other rumours of their buffs are true.
Eben bei B&C gefunden:
The main mono-faction bonus for daemons is what's known as Warp Storm Points.
These are generated at the start of each battle round by rolling 8d6, and on each 4+ you gain a warp storm point. If you're using multiple gods, you take a penalty of rolling 2 fewer d6 per god (so if you're souping 2 gods you get 6d6).
These points last until the end of the battle round and can be spent on various effects at different times throughout the round, with each effect having varying costs - you can't use the same effect twice in the same round though. The majority of these effects apply to all units in your army when activated
In addition to a variety of effects everyone has access to, each god has 3 unique effects they can access. However, these only affect units of the respective god.
Some examples of warp storm point effects (some of these are universal, some are god specific):
+1 to advance and charge
Enemies must roll a d6 before falling back and can't on a 4+
Shoot/fight on death
+1 AP in melee
The main mono-faction bonus for daemons is what's known as Warp Storm Points.
These are generated at the start of each battle round by rolling 8d6, and on each 4+ you gain a warp storm point. If you're using multiple gods, you take a penalty of rolling 2 fewer d6 per god (so if you're souping 2 gods you get 6d6).
These points last until the end of the battle round and can be spent on various effects at different times throughout the round, with each effect having varying costs - you can't use the same effect twice in the same round though. The majority of these effects apply to all units in your army when activated
In addition to a variety of effects everyone has access to, each god has 3 unique effects they can access. However, these only affect units of the respective god.
Some examples of warp storm point effects (some of these are universal, some are god specific):
+1 to advance and charge
Enemies must roll a d6 before falling back and can't on a 4+
Shoot/fight on death
+1 AP in melee
Weitere Gerüchte:
Repost from r/Chaos40k
Copypasted from the Discord server, by Trout:
" Happy Monday ya filthy heretics. A few keen eyed individuals (most everyone) had noticed the "Warp Locus" keyword on certain CSM units (Maater of Posession, Khorne Lord of Skulls). Well I'm here to tell you at least part of what it does. As you may have heard, you will be able to deepstrike Daemons for free--but that's not all! When in the Warp these daemons gain special deepstrike rules.
They can deepstrike as normal, or if you set them up wholly within 6" of a Warp Locus unit, they can be set up just outside 6" from enemy units! (Instead of 9"). If you have allegiances you gotta stick with your friends. Warp Locus isn't a particularly common keyword, but an important lynchpin to enable brutal strategies.
No longer are you shelling out 2 or 3 cp to get a virtually gaurenteed charge with Bloodletters. I mean you will still be able to enhance charges in other ways, but now the floor is much higher. Looking to counter or stop your enemy from dropping hell on your doorstep? You'll want to remove enemy Warp Locus models as efficiently as you can. But that certainly won't be simple in most cases. The cool news is that deepstriking via the Warp has some other interesting rules if you're pure Daemons that make it even more appealing; those fighting daemons should generally stay out of daemonic territory, and keep a good sense of leadership.
That's it for that. A good mechanic to keep in mind as you read any upcoming information. I think it offers some good counter play, while also enabling some of the most reliable charges in the game. [PSA: As always understand things can change before release. So salt it a bit. "
Repost from r/Chaos40k
Copypasted from the Discord server, by Trout:
" Happy Monday ya filthy heretics. A few keen eyed individuals (most everyone) had noticed the "Warp Locus" keyword on certain CSM units (Maater of Posession, Khorne Lord of Skulls). Well I'm here to tell you at least part of what it does. As you may have heard, you will be able to deepstrike Daemons for free--but that's not all! When in the Warp these daemons gain special deepstrike rules.
They can deepstrike as normal, or if you set them up wholly within 6" of a Warp Locus unit, they can be set up just outside 6" from enemy units! (Instead of 9"). If you have allegiances you gotta stick with your friends. Warp Locus isn't a particularly common keyword, but an important lynchpin to enable brutal strategies.
No longer are you shelling out 2 or 3 cp to get a virtually gaurenteed charge with Bloodletters. I mean you will still be able to enhance charges in other ways, but now the floor is much higher. Looking to counter or stop your enemy from dropping hell on your doorstep? You'll want to remove enemy Warp Locus models as efficiently as you can. But that certainly won't be simple in most cases. The cool news is that deepstriking via the Warp has some other interesting rules if you're pure Daemons that make it even more appealing; those fighting daemons should generally stay out of daemonic territory, and keep a good sense of leadership.
That's it for that. A good mechanic to keep in mind as you read any upcoming information. I think it offers some good counter play, while also enabling some of the most reliable charges in the game. [PSA: As always understand things can change before release. So salt it a bit. "
Verstehe ich das richtig das man im Umkreis vom Warp Locus knapp über 6 Zoll deepstriken kann UND weiterhin chargen? Na da bin ich mal gespannt ^^
