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Vanilla CSM und Legionen 2012
- Ersteller XeZZ
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Das wäre eine unglückliche Namensgleichheit?!? Siehe S.379 "False Gods" aus der Horus Heresy Reihe ganz unten/englische Version! 😉
Von theDarkGeneral gab es auch wieder einige neue Gerüchte.
THINGS I'VE HEARD:
*Brazen Knights: Or whatever they're going to call the Berzerkers a top Juggernauts, won't be in the Fast Attack slot like the Thunder Cav (Space Wolves). Probably Elites, with no way to move to Troops.
*Word Bearers: Will be able to take Marked units but with some restrictions. Apparently with all the current Black Library Books out on them (I'm enjoying their reads!), and mention of the Sanctified in Siege of Vraks, the ability to take Marked units has been brought up. Not sure how they'll do this, if it'll be a 1 unit for 1 unit.
*Alpha Legion: Hardest to get info on, but "might" be able to force a re-roll on the type of scenario?! This honestly sounds more like a Special Character ability to me...but we'll see...
*Iron Warriors: Their Cult Terminators will have access to Thunder Hammer & Storm Shields, as well as Iron-Fire Cannon (thunder fire). Basic Chaos Marine squads "may" be able to take an additional heavy weapons team once past 10 models...
*Kharn: Gets a new model (FINALLY), which is bulkier and still ferocious in motion...his rules get better for survive ability like Eternal Warrior and a 4+ Invul, but his bloodshed knows no bounds...
THINGS I ASSUME:
*Mixing Legions: I'm still not sure about this, but i'm under the impression that Black Legion HQs will grant you more access to a wider variety of different Legion's units, though not gaining their particular Army wide rules.
*HQs: Sounds like they're gonna be the deciding factor on who/what you can take, from the various Daemon Engines, to particular number of each squad in their respective slot.
*Daemons: Odd...but it may be just the lessor and greater daemon versions in the new codex. So example that World Eaters would be able to summon forth just Bloodletters and Bloodthirsters...i'm hoping this is incorrect.
THINGS I'M HOPING FOR:
*Vehicle upgrades: Based off of Legion/Marks! It'd be nice to see this return!
*Chaos Wargear: MORE HQ upgrades! Like previous Codexes (i know this isn't the correct spelling of Codices). I truly miss being able to personalize character models with cool, useful, and non-marine upgrades! Like the Dark Blade!
*Chosen & Possessed: I've heard few lil' rumblings about them, but I personal hope they become a lot more upgrade-able, according to Legion.
*Dread Claws: This would be VERY nice and much needed!
*Plagueknights: Though I no longer field Nurgle, i think it'd be awesome to see some plastic kits for Plaguemarines riding Beasts of Nurgle!
*Legion Icon Bearers: It'd be way cool to have a Legion Icon Bearer that granted some kind of benefit to his squad, or models within 12", etc...and of course a bad ass model to go along with it!
Ohhhh...ein neues Kharn-Modell, das hört man doch gern. Ich hoffe es kann das Level des Klassikers halten. 🙂
Khârn!!!! Ein tolles neues Modell davon wäre absolut das, wonach mein World-Eater-geneigtes Herz schreit...!
Thunderfire-Canon... habe ich noch nie irgendwo in Aktion gesehen. Hat das überhaupt jemand bei den SM?
Das liegt am Modell, das verzogen ist wie kaum ein zweites (der Todbringer bei den Kriegern des Chaos ist ähnlich schlimm).
Auf Turnieren wurden zeitweise intensiv in fast jeder Vanillaliste zwei Stück gespielt.
Auf Turnieren wurden zeitweise intensiv in fast jeder Vanillaliste zwei Stück gespielt.
2 schwere Waffen für IW Troops klingt gut, wenns nicht gleich Havoc-Preise werden. Auf TH & SS Termies könnte ich aber gut verzichten. Die Thunderfire-Cannon könnte zwar nützlich sein, aber eine coole dämonisches Artillerie wäre mir doch lieber.
Es soll ja auch keine 1:1 Übernahme der Thunderfire-Cannon werden, sondern eher:
Kannst du auch noch einmal hier im Beitrag 497 nachlesen.
Was ich zu bezweifeln wage - das jetzige Modell ist einfach zu genial (nur eventuell ein wenig zu klein).
Kann also MMN nur schief gehen.
Der Zweifel galt wohl nicht darum ob ein neues Modell kommen wird, sondern ob es von der Optik genauso gut wird wie das aktuelle.
Schau dir an was bei den Blood Angels alles wiederbelebt wurde. Das Alter garantiert noch keine Neuauflage, lediglich die Feincastvariante ist gesichert.
Wünschenswert wäre es aber.
Mephisto ist ja noch älter (oder) und nicht mal der hat ein neues Modell bekommen. Obwohl er es im Gegensatz zu Khârn nötig gehabt hätte.
Dafür hat er schöne Imba-Regeln bekommen, weil sie noch so viele auf Lager hatten, dann bekommt der im nächsten BA Dex schlechtere Regeln (count as count), aber ein geileres Modell (mit Fledermausflügeln und Nosferatuhasenzähnchen).
Ein Post von Warseer, der die Codexfrage nochmal erhellt und die Qualität der Gerüchte klarstellt 😉 :
StraightSilver:
Well I wasn't going to post in this as I have decided to stay pretty much out of the rumours forum to be honest.
I just wanted to back up what some of the others have been saying, rumours are just that and should be treated as such.
I have a couple of very good contacts at GW HQ and they often mention things to me regarding future releases, but as Aaron said more often than not they heard it from X, who heard it from Y etc.
It's also the fact that GW work years in advance and things do change, so what may be true early on in development will not be true by time of release.
There's also the fact that people are only human and things do get misinterpreted once they hit the web, and also people just sometimes don't want to agree with you.
The problem I have found is that people do take it all a bit personally, and that's the reason I stopped posting in the rumours threads, as I had a bad experience on "another forum".
However I would say to Ghost keep posting, not everything will be right but that's why they're called rumours, and everybody will have an opinion.
And I would also like to say that I have met Aaron a couple of times at BL events, Games Day etc and he really is a top bloke. It is way too easy on the internet to misinterpret what somebody is saying because you aren't face to face, and I don't for one minute think he was being confrontational.
And as far as I know since GW set up Black Library (after Boxtree published for them) they have stayed away from including original author creations in Codexes.
I think the exception may be Gaunt in one of the previous IG Codexes, but generally you won't see Ciaphas Cain, Eisenhorn etc in a Codex.
Back on topic I don't have a huge amount to offer, as I say I tend not to disclose anything these days but I do recall something that Jervis Johnson said a while ago.
Apparently when Gav Thorpe wrote the last CSM Dex he was given very strict instructions on what he could and couldn't do. He was pretty much forced to streamline the Codex as the dev team thought the previous one was too complicated.
Gav really didn't have much say in the Dex, and wasn't happy with just how stripped down it was, but those were the wishes of the design department.
However Jervis said that as soon as the Dex was released they realised they had made a mistake, and started planning the new Dex almost immediately.
Suffice it to say this new Dex has been in planning for quite some time, and the idea was to reintegrate some of the elements from the Codex before last.
Jervis also said that the plan was to release the Legions book, but keep the current CSM Codex as a Renegades Codex.
This may be where the confusion of 2 books arises from, as far as I know the new Legions Dex will be in addition to the CSM one, not a replacement.
However that info is well over a year old now so once again, don't shoot the messenger.
Na ja, nix neues - dass Gerüchte keine in Stein gemeiselten Fakten sind, sollte klar sein.
Greg
Greg
Inkompetenz und Fehlentscheidungen und wer muss darunter leiden? Wir die Chaos-Spieler. Vielen Dank! Da hätten die ja gerne nachbessern dürfen. <_<
Ist das wahr, so bedeutet dies, dass sich weltweit jede Menge Spieler beim Sündenbock Gav entschuldigen müssen. Ich darf mir gar nicht ausmalen, wieviel verbale Prügel der Kerl bislang hat einstecken müssen.
Hmmm... also das erweckt den Anschein, dass da intern etwas gewaltig schief gelaufen ist. Eben noch heisst es, dass einem Projekt jahrelange Planung vorausgeht, dann stellt man aber kurz nach Release fest, dass das ja eigentlich Quatsch ist, was man soeben vollbracht hat? Irgendwie mag das für mich nicht recht zusammenpassen.
Der hat doch - vor nem Jahr oder so - auf seinem Block mal ein Statement zum CSM Dex abgegeben. Da hats dann auch wieder Comments geregnet. Seinerzeit wollten sie eine "simplefy" Richtung einschlagen (s. auch DA), dem Spieler keine Restriktionen vorgeben sondern ihm alle Freiheiten geben - juhe. Ar**h geleckt...<_<