Diskussion - Fliegerwelle 2016 - 40k

Bomber sind Flieger, die schlechte oder keine Möglichkeiten haben Flieger zu attackieren.
Der Hemlock Wraithfighter ist ein Bomber. (Falls das Profil der schweren Warpsense nicht geändert wird.)
Yay für D-Waffen mit 'Deckung ignorieren' oder zumindest einem Bonus gegen Bodenziele.

Das wird sicher super... :dry:
 
Unterscheiden sich denn ihre Regeln von denen im Codex: Astra Militarum?

Könnte aber gut sein, andere Fraktion.

Lediglich aufgrund der Tatsache, dass erst der MT Codex kam, mit einem C&P aus dem IA 5te Edition und dann der AM Codex, der die Walkürenregeln geupdated hat. Ob das gewollt war oder (vermutlich eher) schlechte bis gar keine Kommunikation weiss niemand.

Ich würde beabsichtigt unterschiedliche Regeln begrüßen, glaube da aber nicht dran.
 
Iuchiban im Warseer Forum

Hi all,

I already have my copy of the book, and after a quick go-through:

(As usual, translations may not be 100% correct)

- There is a new detachment:

Air Superiority Detachment

Is formed by 1-3 Flyer Wings*

Restrictions: All models have to be chosen from the same faction

Benefits:
- Air commander; If the commander of the Wing is in reserves, re-roll interception, If you have superiority and your Chief is in Reservers you add +2 to your reserve rolls instead of 1.
- Combined formation: You choose to make a single reserve roll for the whole formation if you want.
- Transport that have the hover mode have the Objetive secured rule.

Of course I need to read the book to know what it all means.

All the existing flyers have the same point costs and rules as in their current codex.

The stormhawk costs [25 Meltabomben] points and comes with: Twin linked assault cannon, twin linked heavy bolter, "super laser thing" (24", S9, AP2, Heavy 2), Ceraminte plating, and one ítem that allow the stormhawk reroll when jinking. Has the supersonic special rule.
May exchange the laser thing for an Icurus Cannon for [3 Meltabomben] points. May exchange the heavy bolter for a Typhoon missile launcher for +[4 MB] points or for a Celestial hammer missile thrower for + [1 MB] points.



I will try to sumarize the new stuff:

All Flyers have now three new Atributes: Combat Role, Pursuit and Agility (the more the better)

When shooting there are two types of targes: Ground and flying. Flying targets are FMC, other Flyers, Jetbikes and Grav vehicles. The rest are ground targets.

New rule: Air superiority: If a player has Flyers in Reserve at the end of the Aerial Duel Phase can add +1/-1 to their reserve rolls. Opponent has -1 to reserve rolls.

Any flyer can now make an additional pivot at any point of ther movement if they roll their Agility or less in a single D6.

Only Flyers with the Attack Role can have AA when shooting, but they have -1 BS when shooting Ground Targets.

Flyers do not benefit from cover (Terrain or other models)

When moving Flat Out you can add your Pursuit to the distance


The different combat roles give different bonusses depending on the type of the Attack Pattern.

There are 6 different attack patterns. If I could post a picture of the patterns I would do it, but I think that it is forbidden ...



About the ork flyer:

[28 Meltabomben] points 12/10/10 3HP

(Cannot translate the ork weapons)
Twin-linked 36", S8, AP2, Heavy 1, Blast, Gets hot
1x 36" S1D6+4, AP1, Heavy1
5++ vs one single hit each enemy shooting phase (May be exchanged for an ork energy shield 5++ to be bearer and all models at 6" for + [5 Meltabomben] points)




Originally Posted by lordbeefy

and can other chapters....BA and SW etc use them?

Looks like, but they have to be taken as part of the detachment mentioned before.

The book says that all the flyers described in this book replace their Data Sheets in all the current codex. Seems that this rules are coming to stay.



FMC are not in this book.

The datasheets are:
- Valkyries
- Stormhawk Interceptors
- Stormtalon
- Stormraven
- Storm wing (Formation)
- Strike Wing (Formation, 2 Stormhawks + 2 Stormtalons)
- Blood Angel Stormraven
- Grey Knights Stormraven
- Dark Talon
- Nephilim
- Ravenwing abductor squadron (Formation, 2 Nephilim + 1 Dark Talon)
- Stormwolf
- Stormfang
- Ice Storm assault pack (Formation, 2 Stormwolves + 2 Stormfangs)
- Heldrake
- Razorwing
- Voidraven
- Blackheart Talon (Formation, 2 Razorwings + 2 Voidravens)
- Crimson Hunter
- Hemlock
- Shroud of Kurnous (Formation, 2-3 Crimson Hunters + 1 Hemlock)
- Night Scythes
- Doom Scythes
- Oppressor Flight (Formation, 1 Night Scythe + 2-3 Doom Scythes)
- Blitza-Bomber
- Burna-Bomber
- Dakkajet
- Wazbom Blastajets
- Ork Skwadron (Formation, 3 of any but Wazbom Blastajets)
- Kustom Wazmob (1 Wazbom + 3 up to three of any other ork flyer including the Wazmob)
- Razorshark
- Sun Shark
- Air caste Support cadre (Formation, 2 Razorsharks + 1 Sun Shark)




To sumarize a litte bit:

Duel Phase happens at the beginning of each Player's turn. It is optional. It only involves Flyers in reserve or active reserves. If a player wants to skip the phase, roll a d6. Winner decides.


4 Subphases:
Interception
Aproximation
Maneuver
Attack

INTERCEPTION
Each player roll a D6. Winner (after applying modificators) is attacking player, the other defending player.

APROX, MANEUVER AND ATTACK
During each phase each player chooses secretly a Tactic, then compare tactics in a table and apply results.

At the end of the Attack phase, resolve a shooting phase between both flyers, applying the mods from the previous phases (if any)


Wie funktioniert es - aus dem GW Blog

The updated Flyer rules in Death from the Skies completely replace those in Warhammer 40,000: The Rules. The highlight for me is the Break Turns rule which allows your flyer to try to make a second turn if they pass an Agility (a new statistic on every datasheet in the book) roll. I love the idea of my Dakkajet’s being able to bring their guns to bear more easily, I am always getting caught out of position with no enemies in my line of fire.

Another new element is Flyer Wings. These can be deployed in Attack Patterns and have Wing Leaders. A Flyer Wing is a group of 2 to 4 Flyers taken from the same datasheet or Formation. The Wing Leader gets a special ability to represent his experience and skill. Keeping the unit close together in one of a series of Attack Patterns will give the wing special benefits. I will be deploying my Dakkajets in a Vigilance Attack Pattern to gain +1 Ballistic Skill against ground targets. Combined with the datasheet special rules in Codex: Orks I will be hitting with almost every shot which is a rare treat for an ork warboss.

The Dogfight phase allows detailed combat between flyers who have not yet entered from Reserve. This happens at the start of each game turn and has a series of sub-phases where a each side choose from a series of Engagement, Manoeuvre and Attack Tactics to determine the winner. The ultimate goal is to gain Air Superiority which reduces the likelihood of enemy units coming on from reserve and increases your own. I will definitely need to equip my Flyers to give me Air Superiority, as I usually field a very mobile Ork army and I often have many units in reserve in transports. Air Superiority would allow me to assault isolated enemy positions ‘en masse’ while my opponents reserves arrive piecemeal.

The most exciting element for me is that I can play games with just my flyers. I have always imagined an air armada of ork flying contraptions duelling with hordes of enemy aircraft blissfully unaware of the ground battle taking place below. And now I can play that game.


Attack Pattern

https://www.games-workshop.com/reso...20x950/60040199058_DeathfromtheSkiesENG04.jpg

Bekanntes aus DftS 1.0

https://www.games-workshop.com/reso...6RV41T6W8ER4T6B8W1ERYB1WR6EY81WY4W6RT/3XL.jpg



Die neuen Gussrahmen

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120103043_WazbomBlastajet08.jpg

https://www.games-workshop.com/reso...152_AdeptusAstartesStormHawkInterceptor06.jpg

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NZ Preorder https://www.games-workshop.com/en-N...ing=rec&view=table&categoryId=cat440130a-flat



Bemalvideo zum Stormhawk (am Ende)

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-NZ/blog/blog.jsp
 
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Es fehlen halt noch viele Regeln wie bspw diese Duell-Tabellen, die anderen Attack Pattern und die 'Wing Leader'-Regeln.

46 EUR ist nicht gerade wenig, wer kauft schon gern die Katze im Sack.

Man bekommt mit den Infos aber einen einigermaßen guten Eindruck in welche Richtung die Reise mit dem Buch geht. Muss man nicht mögen. Mir waren die bisherigen Einsatzmöglichkeiten der Flieger (ohne DftS 1.0) immer etwas zu langweilig. Die neuen Sachen sehen interessant aus und wir werden die Regeln sicherlich häufiger einsetzen. Durch Kombination der verschiedenen Fomationen und Sonderregeln lassen sich starke Luftgeschwader spielen.

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Die deutschen Preorder sind online. Deutsches Buch ist bestätigt

https://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Death-from-the-Skies-2016-DE

Der WD hat mal wieder unrecht gehabt. Es sind 21 Datenblätter.

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Der Comic Deff Skwadron ist wieder erhältlich

https://www.games-workshop.com/de-DE/Deff-Skwadron-2016
 
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Die Bundle-Box mit Minispiel aus dem 1. Post, die Sad Panda gerüchtete, dürfte auch noch irgendwann kommen. Tippe weiterhin auf SM vs Orks

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Der Stormhawk Interceptor kann alternativ auch als Stormtalon zusammengebaut werden. Zumindest steht es so in der Beschreibung.
Kann er. Die alten Bausätze werden leider auch nicht mehr angeboten.