Vanilla CSM und Legionen 2012

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#1.601
diesmal steht Abaddon auf der Karte:

via Faeit 212 (anonymous source)
Lord Abbadon:
Lord abbadon will become even more of a beast than he is now,
stats will remain the same and the rules he has at the moment will remain the same but there is also additional rules as well.

despicable fury: abaddon true hatred for the imperium is so deep that no other chaos space marine can match it. to represent this for each imperium enemy abbadon kills he makes an additional attack & follow all the rules of his daemon weapon (so like the furioso just with abbadon)

the second gift of tzeench: abaddon has pleased tzeench with his helping in the great game & so has granted his own personal physic aura. to represent this when abaddon suffers an unsaved wound he may re roll it (including invulnerable saves). But if abbadon fails his save again then he suffers the wound & loses an additional wound due to tzeench feeling betrayed for giving him a second gift.

none can stand the will of the dark gods: when abbadon issues a challenge or accepts a challenge (as described on page X) he ignores his despicable fury rule and instead counts his weapon as being a force weapon (which still requires a point of warp charge)

Fluff Changes
When abbadon takes a critical imperium planet he is then spoken to by tzeench personal herald to do a certain task (sorry cannot tell you that part) in the end abbadon completes this task and tzeench shows abbadon his vision of the great transformation and abbadon sitting on the golden throne along side the dead emperor. thus tzeench gives abbadon a second gift, as the planet abbadon has taken has pleased tzeench and angered the other gods without abbadon knowing a thing.

and apparently the chaos codex is super close, but white dwarf pictures will be hard to get seeing as they have been given only to (suspected workers) and the shops will receive them a day before release.->http://natfka.blogspot.de/2012/09/chaos-marine-rumors-abbadon-rumors.html#more
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#1.603
Ach Abbadon kann man schon ganz gut einsetzen, besonders gegen Orks ist er einfach super. Selbst "fast" immun gegen Krallen und sowohl gegen Masse als auch gegen Bossmobs extrem gut, nach 6. Edi quält er sich ein wenig mit (Boss-)Bikern, aber es gibt schlimmeres als das.

Irgendwie gefällt mir die Fluffentwicklung auch nicht, klingt einfach nicht mehr so sehr nach Abbadon.

Das second gift klingt total merkwürdig, re-roll schön und gut, aber dann nen doppelten Lebenspunktverlust? Warum nicht einfach die Lebenspunktzahl halbieren? 😀 Dann würde das Profil vermutlich nicht mehr so toll aussehen...
 
#1.604
Das klingt irgendwie mehr nach Ahriman, das mit dem zweiten Geschenk.
Ich wäre ja dafür, das Abby seine Leibgarde zurückbekommt, wie in der 2. Edition.
Das würde eher seinem Hintergrund entsprechen.

Ich setze Abaddon ja gerne mal ein, er ist ein ziemliches Monster, aber ohne Landraider und Begleitpersonal bringt er nicht viel und das macht ihn schon recht teuer.
 
#1.605
Dieses Wochenende kam einiges an Gerüchten habe ich das Gefühl...

via Faeit 212 (anonymous source)
the chaos dragon will have two shooting profiles:

when shooting at flyers : 36'' range , strength 9 AP 4 heavy 3
when shooting at the ground: 36'' range , strength 8 AP 3 heavy 3 blast (can be upgraded to large blast but then becomes heavy 2) and costs + 30 pts

also terminators will be given a chaos version of a space marine storm shield. And if you now take chosen terminators they will have 2 wounds each.

also the melta vindicator rumour is very much real - but with the two profiles as well.
special rule: enraged daemon: (this rule only applies if you give your melta vindicator daemonic possession) : once per game you can exchange your normal melta shot for a daemonic melta shot.
you may not move in the previous turn to do this ! you shoot ( large blast strength 10 AP 1 shot ) but cannot use your ballistic skill and always scatters 2d6 inches. after doing this then the rules for daemonic possession on the tank is lost for the rest of the game and you must only fire the normal melta shot.
normal melta shot is : strength 8 AP 1 large blast.

this tank cost 150pts to start and an extra 20pts for daemonic possession - NOTE: this tank may NEVER EVER fire at flyers or at a enemy when a member of your army is within 3 inches of the target.

http://natfka.blogspot.de/2012/09/chaos-dragon-terminators-and-siege-tank.html#more
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#1.608
Für die, von Kwonk geposteten Gerüchte gilt leider das folgende Zitat:
Putting an end to this comment section and locking the thread.
Rumor are rumors, but I have just disproved them they are fabrications.
->http://natfka.blogspot.de/2012/09/chaos-dragon-terminators-and-siege-tank.html
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Angeblich korrekte News (ich hab die eigentlichen Gerüchte fett gekennzeichnet, der Rest is naftkas Statement zu den Fakes):

First off lets get this over with. There have been 3 rumor sets that I have received that are fabricated. I had posted them within the last 24 or so hours. I am not saying that the sender of the email is making them up, (he was using his real name in the emails/ probably by accident), but if it was not him, it was the guy giving him information. All three posts are marked in red.

There was also someone using an anonymous account in the comment section to validate his rumors, in essence using the comment section to validate himself. Since I do not deal with drama or like to feed the trolls anymore than necessary, there is no reason to pursue it any further.

Lucky for us, we have some friends somewhere that were able to help protect us from the trolls. So a huge thanks goes out to him/her for their concern that rumors not get out of hand and to help keep us on track. Please please do not dis on the source of the previous incorrect rumors in the comment section.

Here is a corrected rumor bit, and some real information to sit on, to get us back on track. Once again a huge thanks to the source of the rumor below for helping us get back to some juicy bits for the upcoming Chaos Space Marine codex.

via Faeit 212 (a Must Remain Anonymous Source)

Dragon Flyer - 12/12/10
2 butcher cannons, bs3, immune to shaken/stunned, can be locked velocity as normal. Flyer only, no hover/skimmer mode. Can vector strike at strength 10. Strafing run.
Because this might be misinterpreted I'm going to be really clear: It does not have "two firing profiles." It has 2 butcher cannons, and that's it. It does not have blasts of any kind. It is "BS4" against ground targets because of strafing run (go read it, it's a USR for details).

Terminators can be upgraded to chosen, getting +1 WS (5) and +1 wound (2), and fearless. They can take marks on top of that. It gets expensive.
- Interestingly enough, when upgraded they are troops if you take Abbadon, yet normal
Terminators are Elites.
There are no "chaos storm shields,"
The best you can get is Mark of Tzeench to upgrade your 5+ invulnerable from Terminator armour to a 4+.

There is a piece of chaos wargear that gives a 4+ invulnerable, but it is not a storm shield it can just be added for characters. Yes it upgrades via mark of tzeench to 3+. No it's not available for sorcerers.

Vindicator is unchanged, but can take daemonic possession (as all chaos vehicles can). No melta of any kind on it except the potential to buy a pintle-mounted combi-melta as an upgrade.

As for the essentially indirect fire mechanism? That's made up. As for the daemonic possession changing the weapon profile for 1 shot that then expends the daemonic possession? That's made up.

The new book has a lot to explore, and lots of fiddly options here and there.
The post about Abbadon and the previous one have no basis on the actual print what so ever
-> http://natfka.blogspot.de/2012/09/some-real-information-chaos-marine-codex.html
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#1.616
Die neue GW-Gerüchte-Politik treibt mich noch in den Wahnsinn. Ich bin derart neugierig auf den neuen CSM Codex, ich checke schon im 30 min Takt die Gerüchtelage.......und es ist einfach nix dabei.

Aber GW erreicht damit genau das, was sie wollen. Statt wie früher, als ich 2 Wochen vor Codexrelease quasi alles wusste und mir dann irgendwann den Codex gekauft hab werd ich ihn diesmal auf jeden Fall vorbestellen um so früh wie möglich meine neugierige Nase darin versenken zu können. Und die geilen Miniaturen aus der neuen Starterbox machen alles nur noch schlimmer.
 
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