Die CSM gehören dem Designer der neuen Death Guard. Sind zum Großteil Umbauten.
Weiteres interesantes Detail aus dem aktuellen WD (weiß nicht ob das schon vorgekommen ist):
Bei den Mutilatoren steht, dass sie aus ihren Armen alle erdenktlichen Waffen mutieren können, Bolter, Flammenwerfer, Laserkanonen und weitere. Das suggeriert mir, dass die Oblis mit den Mutis zusammengelegt werden.
They get a HEAP of new weapon options, and they've gone down to 19pts each!
My favourite new weapon is the big flail thing, +2 Str, -2AP, 2dmg. And the dmg spills over! They also get D3 attacks with it, instead of just 1.
Also, every marine can replace their Boltguns with melee weapons, which is pretty nifty, and they're all Blight weapons and an equivalent power weapon.
So the weapons are:
1) Blight Launcher, which has had a slight change. It does D3 dmg, instead of 2. Good and bad I guess.
2) Boltgun, obviously.
3) Melta gun.
4) Plague Belcher, which is a flamer but with the Plague Weapon rule: S4, 1dmg.
5) Plague Spewer, which is a heavy flamer but with the Plague Weapon rule: S5, -1AP, 1dmg.
6) Plasma gun.
7) Plasma pistol.
8) Bubotic Axe (I'm pretty sure that's how it's spelt), which looks like a power axe, but with the Plague Weapon rule: +1S, -2AP, 1dmg. This thing is the one that any Plague Marine can swap their boltgun for.
9) Flail of Corruption, this thing seems beast to me. Two dudes can take this in a unit. +2S, -2AP, 2dmg, Plague Weapon rule, D3 attacks instead of 1 and dmg spills over. Yes plez.
10) Great Plague Cleaver (this thing has a glorious name). x2S, -3AP, D6dmg, Plague Weapon, -1 when making hit rolls. Seems like a pretty devastating anti-tank/character weapon, though with only one attack on a Plague Marine and the -1 to hit, I don't see this choice being taken very often.
11) Mace of Contagion: +2S, -1AP, 3dmg, Plague weapon and -1 to hit with. seems pretty cool.
12) Plague Knife, obviously.
13) Plaguesword, obviously.
14) Blight and Krak grenades, obviously.
Their options:
- Champion may replace their Plague knife with a Plaguesword
- Champion may replace their boltgun with a bolt pistol, plasma pistol or plasma gun (no more having to take a plasma gun AND fist!)
- Champion may take a powerfist
- Up to two Plague Marines may replace their boltgun with a Plague belcher, Plague spewer, Melta gun, plasma gun or Blight Launcher
- Any Plague Marine may replace their boltgun with either a Bubonic Axe or a second Plague Knife
- Up to two Plague Marines may each replace their boltgun with a Mace of Contagion and a Bubonic Axe
- Up to two Plague Marines may each replace their boltgun with a Great Plague Cleaver or a Flail of Corruption
- One Plague Marines armed with a boltgun or two Plague knives can take an Icon of Dispare (oddly specific)
And a new special rule, called Vectors of Death and Disease, allows dudes with two Plague knives, a knife and Bubonic Axe, or a Mace of Contagion and Bubonic Axe, have an attack value of 2 rather than 1.
So a bucket load of melee weapons, interestingly. And Plague Marines now being only 19pts per model means a few extra upgrades can probably be chucked on with no additional cost to what we're used to now, which is grand.
Unfortunately he doesn't look at the points page properly, so I couldn't make out the weapons points costs.
You can make them out if you look closely. For anyone who can't be bothered, a summary
For ranged we have two options (as well as still newish blight launchers), which are a flamer and heavy flamer with an extra inch of range and rerolling wound rolls of 1. Which isn't too shabby.
For melee we have four new options, all with plague weapon reroll 1s thing. The great plague cleaver is a powerfist with d6 damage. The mace is a power maul with -1 to hit and 3 damage. The axe is just a power axe, except the plague weapon ability. The flail is the same as deathwing knights flail with only -2 AP and d3 attacks.
Also, you can get two attacks for double plague knives, knife and axe, or axe and mace. Which is nice, pushes them back to being a melee/ranged hybrid.
It's worth mentioning there is now a reason to run a unit of 7: the sarge can have his various loadouts (including plain plasma, without powerfist if desired), plus 2 special weapons, plus 2 axe and mace, plus 2 flail or cleaver. Oh, and an icon of despair if you leave someone with a boltgun or dual plague knives but it's still fairly worthless (though it has a 6" range now... wooo?).
Personally, between the new options and the price break (so they are costed correctly assuming plague knives aren't a point now or something) I think plague marines are now fairly usable. They seem to be pushing the melee/ranged hybrid angle.
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10 for plague flamer, 19 for the plague heavy flamer. So a point or two for the reroll and extra inch of range, which seems fair.
Interessant finde ich, dass Cypher sowie
die Fallen als Chaos eingesetzt werden können. In der vorherigen Edition konnte man Cypher auch einsetzen, aber soweit
ich weiß nicht die Fallen sondern Cypher nur in Verbindung mit den Auserkorenen btw. Chosen.
Es waren auch Auserkorene, allerdings wurden die Regeln der Jungs so angepasst, dass sie sehr ähnlich den Loyalen Marines waren.Ok, mir ist aus dem Codex bekannt, dass man z.b. Cypher mit den Auserkorenen bzw. Chosen in FOrmation kämpfen lassen konnte. Darunter habe ich dann immer die Auserkorenen verstanden, die es z.B. auch in der "Dark Vengeance" Box gab, die CSM. Aber wenn die Fallen auch zu diesen Auserkorenen zählten, wusste ich das noch nicht, ist mir dann im Grunde jetzt klar geworen 🙂
Hatte mir die Dark Angels Veteranen ehrlich gesagt auch noch nicht näher angeschaut gehabt bis heute....
Was mir heute erst (zufällig) aufgefallen ist. Im Index Chaos trägt Typhus laut seinem Profil eine Cataphractii Rüstung.
Meint ihr er kriegt ein neues Modell mit dem DG-Release?
Achte mal auf das Rückenteil... das ist eine Cataphraktii mit anderen Schultern beim Lord of Contagion. Die Beine und der gesamte Torso übrigens auch.
Typhus und nicht zuletzt Abaddon haben eine Überarbeitung dringend nötig. Huron ebenfalls. Kann ja nicht angehen das Typhus kleiner daher kommt als ein stinknormaler Lord...
Beim Typhus Modell kann ich mir schon vorstellen, das ein neues kommt, ich meine wäre auch nur logisch. Warum sollten die ein einziges Death Guard Modell von vor 10 Jahren im Sortiment lassen und alles andere neu erscheinen lassen?